Sept. 11, 2025

S11, Chapter 2: California Men's Colony

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Two men are locked inside the California Men’s Colony — a medium-security state prison tucked away in the rolling hills of San Luis Obispo.

It wasn’t a fortress like San Quentin.

It didn’t house the state’s most violent criminals.

And its reputation was far from what you’d expect of a place that would soon become a breeding ground for one of the most sadistic criminal partnerships in modern history.

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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality.

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Listener discretion is advised.

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The year nineteen seventy seven, two men are locked inside

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the California Men's Colony, a medium security state prison tucked

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away in the rolling hills of San Luis Obispo. It

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wasn't a fortress like San Quentin, it didn't house the

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state's most violent criminals, and yet its reputation was far

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from what you'd expect of a place that would soon

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become a breeding ground for one of the most sadistic

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criminal partnerships in modern history. Lawrence Bittaker was serving time

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for assault with the deadly weapon. That attack, like many

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of his crimes, seemed impulsive on the surface, but hinted

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at deeper urges simmering beneathwi. While Roy Norris was also

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behind bars, his rap sheet equally disturbing. He had been

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arrested multiple times for sexually motivated crimes, including one particularly

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brutal attack on a female student at San Diego State University.

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They were housed in the same unit, They ate in

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the same mess hall. They had time to talk to

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Bond to compare notes, and what started a small talk

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between two sociopaths quickly turned into something darker. They discovered

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they shared a deep hatred for women. They fantasized about domination,

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about control, about pain. According to court records and interviews,

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the two became inseparable. They would spend hours talking about

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their past crimes, not with shame, but with excitement. They

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relished the details, and then they began imagining what they

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could do if they worked together. It was Larry who

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proposed they team up after their release, and he didn't

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want just a crime spree. He wanted a project, a

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kind of hunting expedition. They would build a custom van

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with sliding doors and no rear windows. They would stock

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it with tape, rope, handcuffs, and a toolbox. They would

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use it to kidnap teenage girls, not just to kill,

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but to torture, to record, to savor. Their goal, according

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to Norris's later confessions, was to abduct and murder one

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girl for each day of the week. Seven victims, seven lives,

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extinguished in seven different ways. They began rehearsing in prison,

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plotting scenarios, what to say, how to lure victims, how

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to keep them quiet. They even made a pact if

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either one of them got cold feet or backed out,

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the other would kill him. No loose ends back in

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CMC Roy and Larry made a friend who will learn about.

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His name was Richard Shuteman. That's Shupeman shoopma n the

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serial killer whisperer we heard from in the last episode.

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Laura Brand corresponded with Shupeman up until he died in

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prison in twenty twenty. Now, during Larry Bittaker's nineteen eighty

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one trial, the defense called Schutman as witness. He testified

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that one Roy Norris had confided in him repeatedly about

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his sexual fantasies involving rape of young girls, and two

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that Roy claimed that the expression of shock and fear

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on a young girl's face was what sexually aroused him.

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In contrast, Schupman said Bittaker spoke little to him about sex.

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Now we know all this because of the California Supreme

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Court's appellate decision in People Versus Bittaker nineteen eighty nine.

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The court summarizes Schutman's contribution, and this is the only

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direct quotation of Shutman found in the Pellet opinion, but

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it succinctly captures his testimony. Quote.

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Richard Schutman, a convict friend of defendant, and Norris said

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Norris had told him many times of his desire to

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rape young women. Norris said the look of shock and

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fear on the victim's face particularly aroused him. Defending, on

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the other hand, seldom talked to Schutman about sex.

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So right after Larry died, Roy died and then I

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found Shutman and ironically he was down at Donovan where

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Norris was. So Norris and Schutman actually got reunited back together. Wow, enough,

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h that's crazy, really crazy. So I had wrote him

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and I just started asking just basic questions and diving

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in deeper into the case. And the first letter I

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got back he was I sent him a picture of

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me and Larry, so he knew it wasn't like, you know, bullshit,

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it was all true. And the first thing he said

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back is like, oh my God, like I can't believe

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it because you're blonde hair, blue eyes. And he was

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like Larry, because I, you know, disclosed to him stuff

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that Larry had told me. And he's like, really, you're

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the one, and it broke him, Like you're You're the

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one that opened him up. And I was like yeah,

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and so I started asking more questions and we corresponded

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for a while. We talked on the phone, and for

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the first time ever, I want to share some of

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these letters, especially his last letter to me and you guys,

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he's a big piece of this entire puzzle too.

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Yeah. How much time did they spend together?

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Years? Years together?

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And so this is like part of their coffee talk

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that they would have on planning on what they're going

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to do when they get to the outside, or fantasizing

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this band of rapists and killers.

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Noraris said to me, he described it as a locker

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room talk. I was like, that's prison locker room talk.

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So they were all housed on D Block at CMC,

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but they were at the hobby shop, which is where

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they kind of like all congregated in the yard to

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the wood shop because Roy liked to make gemstones, and

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this is where the jewelry making comes into play. But yeah,

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these sexual debians would come together and make jewelry and

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talk about their sexual fantasies. But what I've discovered is

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a lot of this stuff was not fantasy. This was

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actually a lot of some real stuff, which is even crazier.

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But they disguised it as fantasies. Yeah. So this is

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my correspondence with Richard Schutman, and he did testify at

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the trial. I started just with simple questions, you know,

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how did you meet Roy? And he says, you know,

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at CMC, we're on deep block. How did you meet Larry?

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He says the same thing, and he starts talking about

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how genius Larry was and how sophisticated he was. And

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he was very sophisticated about prison where Roy wasn't. So

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Bittaker was actually selling marijuana throughout the prison, and even

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when Bittaker got out before them, he was actually mailing

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marijuana into the prison under a big business name. I mean,

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this is what we're talking about in the seventies. But yeah,

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Bittaker did that. So he mailed Shootman and I'm talking

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about a lot in marijuana was getting side. I don't know, seventies,

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it's the seventies, you know, I have no idea. Bitaker

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told me. He was like, I got this post office

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box the bake LLC. He went, yeah, he told me

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like his I actually have a tape of him breaking

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it down of exactly how he did it. Yeah. So

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then Sheman was talking about how, you know, just genius

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Larry was. But he says that he was very condescending.

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He could be arrogant about his you know, intelligence, but

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he talks about he actually talks about his love for

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Norris and how he owes Norris a lot because Norris,

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I guess, did a lot for him in prison. He

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wasn't making a lot of money. He was so shootman.

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Later he was selling these perverted sexual fantasy fantasies actually true,

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but that's how he was making his money. And then

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he was doing law advice later on for other inmates

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in charging Let's see, but I'll get into them. I said,

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what was Larry's personality like? He said, that's a tough question.

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First of all, he was effing genius, he really was,

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and I mean that. The problem is he would always

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he would always come up with a problem, a solution

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to any problem. The only bad part is he was

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a know it all, very condescending and always giving advice

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when not needed. His handwriting is very hard to read.

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He was something of stuck up. But maybe that's just

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my insecurity of myself. But that's what he's about Larry's personality.

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He describes Roy's personality as really friendly but not prison

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savvy at all. That's interesting. Yeah, you know they were

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both Korea criminals too. But I said, do you have

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any fond memories of either of them? I could appreciate

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Larry's mind. He's going back to the intelligence. Mine was

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a one four, So I do see some insecurities with

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him against Larry. And by the way, a lot of

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people think that Roy was a dummy. Roy was not.

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Roy was high superior. He was one twenty five. For

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the record, I mean they were both Yeah is genius mensa.

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So Larry was one thirty eight, Roy was one twenty five.

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He wasn't a dummy as like I mean comparatively that

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may seem like, you know, Roy was kind of a

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dummy against Bittagar, but he wasn't a dummy by nummy.

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I think it's just really interesting how they kept him

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in the loop on all their stuff.

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Oh everything.

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It's like they and he probably said, you know, probably

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said let me know what you're doing, you know.

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No, he really was like a secret third member for them. Yeah.

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What did Bitterer say about him though?

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Oh, he said he was totally involved, like they were

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sending him letters. He was part of like all the

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sexual fantasies back at CMC, and then when he was dying,

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he said, go to him if you have any more questions.

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So I mean that should tell you and not right there. Yeah,

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Gerry sent me pictures of Andrea when she found out

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he was going to kill her. I'm not going to

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go into the details of these pictures.

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No, no, Yeah, he lays it all out for you.

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He lays it all out.

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Yeah.

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Even more disturbing is that he I later asked him,

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you know where all these pictures were covered, because they

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did send people to go find these photos, and he

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says no, because I was renting these pictures out. And

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I called Stephen Kay and I said, not all the

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pictures that Bennifer Norris took were were covered at CMC.

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Shutman was writing them out, and he's like, you've got

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to be kidding me.

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That's right. Larry and Roy were mailing graphic rape and

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snuff photos to Richard Schuteman in prison, and Richard was

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quote unquote renting out these photographs to other inmates. The

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search of Richard Schutman cell at the California Men's Colony

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happened late in the investigation after detectives had found letters

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from him to both Norris and Bittaker in Norris's residence.

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The discovery gave them probable cause to believe he might

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have additional incriminating materials. That search happened in nineteen seventy nine.

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In December, about a month after Norris was arrested and

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began cooperating, a search warrant was issued after investigator's link

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shootment to the defendants via correspondence. The affidavid included details

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from Norris's statements prior searches and information that Shuotman had

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received photographs of young girls from Bittaker and or Norris.

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Court records state that officers seized fourteen photographs, some depicting

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nude or partially nude young females, five letters to which

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were admitted into evidence at trial, and there were other

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miscellaneous correspondents in papers that tied him to Norris and Bittaker.

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Here's what we know from the appellet summary what was

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in the letters. At least one letter from Bittaker contained

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a photograph of a nude young girl preparing to perform

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oral sex on a man. Another letter referenced Norris's disturbing

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sexual interest, similar to what Schuteman testified about, and some

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letters discussed locations like potential dump sites or reference past

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events in vague but incriminating ways. Bittaker's lawyers claimed the

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warrant was based on insufficient probable cause and that Shootman's

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possession of the items was irrelevant, but the California Supreme

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Court upheld the search, saying the affidavit established a clear

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link between Shootman and the crimes, making the seizure lawful

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and the evidence admissible.

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So photographs like this could still be in a prison,

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they would just be circulating because they can't take them out,

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They can't transfer them. They would just be given to

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another inmate and kept withinside the prison. And if they

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had already been found, they would have already been turned

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over to the police and the prosecutor, which they have

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not been. So right now, all my offenders that have

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transferred to CMC are on the lookout for very specific

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photographs if they are still, you know, within CMC.

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They could still be there.

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It could be they do, I mean, porn does stay

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within the prison, so hopefully we can recover them. I

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asked him, what was the surprised was he surprised about

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the crime, He said, no, huge letter is explain exclamation point.

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The boys are both on parole, and before that we

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had spent years talking and spending time about what they

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were going to do and show us up the humanitation.

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Yet we would write stories prison is a school for criminals.

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Very true.

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I just find it fascinating how they included him on

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this stuff, not knowing, you know, what their end result

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was going to be, and you know, because it's including

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more people with information that could lead to their arrest.

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You know, it's like exactly they say, there's.

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Only you know, the only way three people can keep

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the secret is if two were dead.

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Right, exactly exactly. I'm going to read this next paragraph

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to you. You can. I'm just I'm just gonna read it. Okay.

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So personally, I have convicted. I am convicted for a

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first degree murder.

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We'll be right back after this quick break. Don't go anywhere.

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I'm gonna read this next paragraph to you. You can.

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I'm just I'm just gonna read it. Okay. So personally,

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I have convicted. I am convicted for a first degree murder.

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Of course, I talked to my friends about my case

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and how I how I did it. I don't know

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if you're old enough to remember it, But back in

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the seventies and eighties, hitch hiking was a real was

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real common. My thing was to pick up hitchhiking girls.

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I was. I was only in my twenties, so fat

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with glasses and came across very unsuspecting the only okay,

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so he says, this is where he failed. He was

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but then I brought a friend in who got cold

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feet and turned me in.

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Have you ever encountered anything like this? So he was

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trying to pair up with someone. And then you have

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Bittaker and Norse, who are a pair. Now they're a

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throuble because the three of them are doing right literally,

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so it is then Jackson and then there's Joe Jackson.

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There was Jackson. It's like yeah, so by the way,

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Jackson was in d block with them in their little

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you know, jewelry making whatever.

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Yeah, why would they risk like having a partner like that?

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It ups the thrill for them when they have a

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partner or.

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Something they share is.

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Being the anti for them, Like this is like, yeah, it's.

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An audience exactly performative.

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This is why a lot of them take cassette tapes, videotapes.

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This is very common for sexual status. They want to

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relive it, they want to share it with the other person.

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They want to and that's why they flocked together. That's

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why you're seeing like the the two songs. I mean,

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look at you know in Lake and you know Shermantine.

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You know, it's just like, look at all these cases.

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And the problem was that Larry and Roy used the

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hitchhiker trick. But the DA put them against each other

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as codefended and that's what did them in so putting

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them against each other. Yeah, did I get together with

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Roy in here? Sure? I actually lived in the same

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building with him and we got together for hours. This

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is after his arrest too. Yeah.

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Yeah, what do you mean by get together? What does

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that mean?

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And talking about their crimes? I guess I mean what a.

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Strange group and serial killers? And it was.

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More than just Jackson, Bittaker, Norris and Chootman actually, which

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is even more just.

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Did Shutman say anything about Ntsberry Farm?

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That's coming up? Actually, let's see what question was this?

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Oh?

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I asked them? I so Okay, Bittaker and Norris couldn't

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remember the ice pick through the ear movie, so I

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asked Shuotman if you remember the exact movie. He said, no,

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I don't remember the name of the movie with the

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ice picked in the ear because I remember watching it

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with them. It was in the late seventies. The plot

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was a group of girls college age were on a

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yacht in the Mediterranean and the boat was hijacked. At

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least one of the girls was killed an ice pick

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to the ear. I remember that. We all talked about it.

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Everyone knew how much it hurts to get anything stuck

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in your ear. We all think, I'm not going to

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read the next part.

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Now, don't, please, don't. It's awful.

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It's just even thinking about. What's really disturbing is that

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they picked this up from a movie.

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So this part he keeps talk about how much you

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was Roy, which is really weird.

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Were they having like a homosexual relationship.

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I don't know, because that was always you know, speculated about,

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you know, Bitaker and Roy, And that is typical for

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sexual status too, is they will cross lines like for them,

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It's just it doesn't.

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Matter, right, Why would there be any kind of lines

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for these guys.

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No, and actually a lot of sexual status have reported

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to me is actually up from a female because when

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they dominate a male, that's even more powerful to them,

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which is what they're seeking is the power. So they're

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much more likely to actually go after a male because

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that's the greatest quote unquote power to them, is to

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dominate a male. Okay, but Norris was the opposite. He

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had a really good family. The only thing and Norris

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said to me, he say to me, he was like,

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I had a great family. He goes, I would go

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the roller rink with my sister every Friday. We had

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the best time. And I was like, so, what the

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hell happened?

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Like, right, what happened?

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What happened? And he would say to me. The only

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thing he reported to me, he was like, the only

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thing to think of, Laura, is you know my grandparents

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would come over and degrade my mother. They would call

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her a whore, a bitch like and I'm like, well

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that's pretty significant, you know your grandparents, you know, degrading

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female figure in a sexualized passion, especially that could have

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profound effects. Vitaker was very into it, not just the

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sadistic aspects of the rape, but loved to do the

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mind like literally put fear into the girls, is what

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he's saying. The psychological torture is what Bittager was into.

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Roy was just into the sexual fear of the rapes.

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Bittaker was into the psychological aspects along with the sexual.

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Aspects, or to say, pillow talk right right.

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But Bittaker was the one who taught us a lot

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of things. So this obviously he's obviously saying that Fitteger's

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been a pro for a while, which we've known, and

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even Shootin's learned a lot from him. There there was

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one guy I've been trying to track down who was

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also part of this group, and he was paroled at

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the same time they were. His name is James Fleming,

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and there's a lot of them and I've still been

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trying to track him down. Common name, very common name

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that I've been calling every James Fleming in the state

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of California. I'm surprised I found Joe Jackson because his

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I know, but James Fleming I am still looking for.

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And then I have a John Blake of course, like

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the most common names part of this sexual group inside

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of samse who were all paroled to Los Angeles. Wow,

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the same time except for treatment, but a lot of

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them were yeah, oh wow, yeah, and the same m O.

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I wasn't the quote unquote teacher, that was Fittaker, he said,

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And that's what I've always had like he loved being

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the teacher. Bittaker loved being the teacher. It's I can't.

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The teacher of the most statistic things you can ever imagine.

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By the time they were released, Norris first in January

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nineteen seventy nine and Bittaker a few months later in October,

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they had their plan. They had each other One detail

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stands out, something small but telling. In prison, Bittaker had

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been the more dominant of the two. He was smarter,

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more calculating. He read books, took notes, studied people. He

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wasn't impulsive. He was deliberate, strategic, and he would become

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the planner. Roy Norris, by contrast, was emotionally volatile, prone

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to sudden bursts of aggression, a follower by nature, and

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he would become the enforcer. Together they created a deadly symmetry.

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One man was the mind, the other the muscle. By

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the fall of nineteen seventy nine, they were back on

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the streets of Los Angeles, and before long they had

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everything they needed. A silver nineteen seventy seven GMC cargo

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van nicknamed Murdermack toolbox stocked with pliers, by scripts, an

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ice pick, and a sledgehammer, duct tape, rope, wirehangers, alcohol,

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a Polaroid camera, and a cassette recorder. Stay tuned till

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All right? So here is This was dated five thirty twenty.

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Dear Laura, Sorry, but I'm not going to be able

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to help you anymore or answer any more questions about

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Roy and Larry. I have been undergoing treatment for a

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blood disorder for the past three years. The doctors thought

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it it was under control, but it didn't work out

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that way. I have the best doctors, but I've just

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recently gotten very sick. They have recently run some tests

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and it's developed into acute leukemia. It's advanced. My doctor

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is one of the best out there, and I've had

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any chance. He's the one to treat it, but he

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says it's over of days or weeks. All they can

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do now is try to help me ease the pain

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and make it as comfortable for me as possible. I

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wish I could be around. There are a lot of

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more there are a lot more stories I would like

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to divulge to you. Again. I'm sorry to end it

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like this. I really hate to break a promise to you.

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There's a lot more you need to know. Believe me,

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I really hate this. I wish I had more time.

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The only question I can answer, the one question you

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asked me about the hitchhikers. I can answer that. Now

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there are eight and you can figure out where they are.

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Oh my gosh, so he was a serial.

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Killer and he ended it just like Larry. Yeah, there's

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a lot more and you can figure out where they are.

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I've given you the tools.

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A dark side, what doors, dark Savage, get the hell

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out of my house. In Jesus' name, I pray

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H