Nov. 12, 2025

S11, Chapter 4: Lucinda Lynn Schaefer

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It was the summer of 1979. The last vestiges of the 1970s were set to expire and welcome in the rip and roar era of the 80s. This chapter takes place in Torrance, California, a coastal town where the air smells faintly of salt and sun-baked asphalt. The streets glow soft orange beneath the high pressure sodium streetlights.

Sixteen-year-old Lucinda Lynn Schaefer walks those streets often, the kind of girl who never seems out of place anywhere. Her friends call her Cindy. Blonde hair, bright blue eyes, always with a book tucked under her arm or a quick smile ready to disarm a stranger.

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Okay, Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence

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and sexuality. Listener discretion is advised.

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M that time we told her what was going on

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or or did and I was doing the driving, us

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doing mostly talking with her. I told him, well, since

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he did the door, he could go first with her.

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So I'm kind of patrolled outside of the man on

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the fire road while he right for her first chance,

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and then we changed places. I think everyone has a

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bit of a fascination of the dark side.

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I must, well, it's love the dark side as well.

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I think it's something that everyone secretly longs.

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Foreign waves.

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Having came to kind of the critical point, easily remember

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what we looked like by said ok old.

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And it was the summer of nineteen seventy nine. The

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last vestiges of the nineteen seventies were set to expire

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and welcome in the rip and roar era of the

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nineteen eighties. This chapter takes place in Torrance, California, a

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coastal town where the air smells faintly of salt and

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sun baked asphalt, and the streets glow soft orange beneath

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the high pressure sodium mark street lights. Sixteen year old

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Lucinda Lynn Schaeffer walks those streets often, the kind of

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girl who never seems out of place. Her friends call

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her Cindy. Blonde hair, bright blue eyes, always a book

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tucked under her arm, or a quick smile ready to

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disarm a stranger. Cindy was a student at Redondo Union

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High School, known for being responsible beyond her years, a

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steady presence in a world where teenagers are usually anything but.

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She sang in her church youth group, Saint Andrew's Presbyterian,

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and spent her weekends helping out with community events or

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hanging out with friends at the local mall. She was gentle,

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but firm in her values. Her parents described her as

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quote wise for sixteen, the kind of girl who would

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politely decline a ride home just to finish her walk

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beneath the quiet hum of the California street lights. That night,

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June twenty fourth, was just like any other night. A

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youth meeting at church had run late, and Cindy, dressed

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in a white black embroidered with black patterns and dark jeans,

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waved goodbye to friends before setting out on a short

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walk home to her grandmother's house. It wasn't far maybe

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ten minutes at most. She'd walked it dozens of times before,

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the kind of walk that feels so safe you don't

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even think twice. But that night, the sidewalks of Torrents

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held shadows that Cindy couldn't have known about, couldn't have

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even dreamed about. Somewhere nearby, Parked along the quiet street,

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sat As Silver nineteen seventy seven, GMC cargo van unremarkable

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at first glance, inside were two men watching her every move.

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Their names were Laurence Bittaker and Roy Norris, and Cindy

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Schaeffer was about to become their first victim. In his

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own chilling written account, Bittaker describes how the morning began.

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Before they set out, the pair worked inside their van,

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finishing the construction of a bed they had built in

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the rear. Beneath it. They carefully tucked away tools, a

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change of clothes, and a cooler packed with beer and

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soft drinks. Everything had its place, Everything was deliberate. By

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late morning, the two men were ready at approximately eleven am.

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Bittaker later wrote, quote, we.

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Drove to the beach area, drinking beer, smoking grass, and

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flirting with girls. We had no set routine to outsiders.

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They looked like two men killing time on a summer day.

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But inside that van, hidden beneath the bed, lay the

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beginnings of something monstrous, and before the night was over,

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Lucinda Shaeffer would cross their path. It was just before

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eight pm on June twenty fourth when the hunt came

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to an end. At approximately seven forty six pm, Roy

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Norris spotted their target, sixteen year old Lucinda Shaeffer, walking

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alone down a side street toward her grandmother's home. Roy

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turned to Larry and said, quote, there's a cute little

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blonde at the pop of the hill where she had walked.

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There was somebody out in their front yard I think

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doing a barbecue and he parently was the only person

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in the neighborhood heard her two little screams. I was

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kind of looking down the work she had been or

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we had been there is like girl looked over the

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top of the gildoy.

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So when you was there a conversation with Roy, like

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or was there something about this girl that stood out

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that made you think let's grab her? Like did she

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have a physical feature like why did you pick her?

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Was there any like sort of ring?

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She was long and for being alone accessible words I

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had all all told.

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Was there a conversation between you and Roy? Like getting

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her was like did you look at each other and say,

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you know, let's just speak her? Like they didn't even

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come about.

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I was just kind of uh understood it in a

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radio And then wasn't it conquered a lot of people's beliefs?

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So a little planning involved in all this? Just okay,

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let's you know, we kind of discussed this saying, okay,

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there's a fenialist criner. You know.

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They tried the easy way first, Pulling alongside her, they

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offered her marijuana and then a ride home. Cindy refused

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both times and kept on walking, but Roy and Larry

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weren't ready to let her go. They drove further ahead,

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pulling into a driveway and set the trap. Roy stepped

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out of the van, sliding open the passenger door. He

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leaned inside, his head and shoulders hidden from the street,

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as if nothing were amiss. When Cindy walked past, he

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spoke a few words to her, and then, in a

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sudden flash of violence, he grabbed her and dragged her inside.

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The door, slam shut. In an instant, Larry cranked the

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radio to full volume, drowning out her screams, while Roy

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bound her arms and left eggs, wrapping her in duct tape,

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and with that the van sped off towards the San

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Gabriel Mountains to the fire road they claimed as their own.

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Just weeks earlier, we got her in.

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The van and he drove on what happened.

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You know. I told her some story about we were

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sort of a citizens watch group and we were going

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to see how long it took the authorities to respond

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to her being missing. And I had a scanner going

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sitting on the shield on the sport while we'll hear

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over that and when it's all clear, we'll take you back.

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Tied her up.

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Mhm.

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Was the hysterical like during this is that why you

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were telling her this?

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Well, he was just explaining that was a long kind

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of league. The strange things about it. First, none of them,

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none of the five got uh tick the upset. Other

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than the last. I think, what a kind of a

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state of shock. But there are some uh you know,

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it was so low done, so low key in most cases,

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other than the initial taking physical custody of you know,

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one of the it's it's kind of surreal in ways

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that most of them usually weren't tied up. If they were,

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it was a very minimal extent, like like tying their

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hands together with a cored three feet apart, so they

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can still have meat freedom to glue around. And they

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usually weren't gagged. It's very strange to be low key overall.

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It's kind of hard there somebody walked up. They wouldn't

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really realize that such a thing was going on, right,

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So what happened when not? Yeah, not not to blame

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the girls for this at all, but if it could

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been slightly aware of her surroundings and crossed back to

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the other side of the street where there wasn't all

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that recrubby between the curtain sidewalks, she hadn't been able

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to see, you know, it was long around her. She

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made it easy in a way that's you know, that's

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not making her her fault. And I hated easier like

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the other ones are hitch. I could be voluntarily get

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into a strange van of two days, you know they did,

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you know, just sell the stupid stuff.

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It's impossible to ignore Larry Bittaker's disgusting victim blaming, but

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frankly I would expect nothing less from a monstrous man

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like himself. It's clear from Laura Brand's recordings that Larry

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has done very little soul searching during his time in prison.

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When Cindy Schaeffer was first dragged inside the van, her

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terrified screams filled the air, but then just silence. Against

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all odds, Cindy managed to regain her composure. Even Larry

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Bittaker himself seems struck by it. In his own written account,

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he described her with chilling detachment.

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Quote she displayed a magnificent state of self control and

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composed acceptance of the conditions of which she had no control.

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She shed no tears, offered no resistance, and expressed no

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great concern for her safety. I guess she knew what

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was coming.

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For a sixteen year old girl to face such horror

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with that kind of calm is haunting. There's really no

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other word for it. But to Larry Bittaker it was

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nothing more than a detail to record. At the fire Road,

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the nightmare deepened. Roy was the first to act. He

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ordered Larry to quote, go take a walk and return

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in an hour. Alone in the van, Roy sexually assaulted

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Lucinda Schaeffer.

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Which the one thing.

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You've got herd into the man and you drove up

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into the Allen what you know what progressed from there?

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I timely told her what was going on or Roy dude,

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and I'm doing the driving games, doing most of talking

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with her. I told him, since he did the door,

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he could go first with her, so I'm kind of

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patrolled outside of the Man on the fire road.

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Wow.

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He right for her first time, and then we changed

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places when.

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Larry came back. The men switch places, and now it

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was his turn. When he was finished, Roy came back

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he assaulted her again. It was during this second attack

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that Cindy finally asked the question she must have feared

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all along. Were they going to kill her? Roy Norris's

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answer was a lie one word. No, We'll be right

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back after her. A quick break. Don't go anywhere, and

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Cindy's response was quiet heartbreaking. If they were going to

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kill her, she begged, at least allow her some quiet

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time to pray first. Afterwards, when Bittaker and Norris recounted

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the murder, unsurprisingly, their stories didn't match. Each claimed that

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the other argued over whether Cindy Schaeffer should be killed

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rather than released, but the truth of that argument mattered

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little to a girl who was pleading for her life.

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How many times did you each rape?

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At first? Sec then mm on, I guess twice. I

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would say, here's I can remember. It's a little fall

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begin a long time ago, and I's kind of excited

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and wound up nervousness. So if some of our memories

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are little bigue, I say twice, m hm and uh.

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And we came to kind of the critical point and

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really ordered out. We do we have to kill her?

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Can we just, you know, give her a couple hundred

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dollars and grass and let her go? I what he

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used to do? So I asked him kind of a

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critical question. Okay, she's been with us a couple of hours,

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and she can easily remember what we look like. And

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if she he's a registered sex offender with the notices,

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call the neighbor and you know we're he's living in

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a county where she was living there if she contacted,

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the cops would take him about one hour to identify him,

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and that would be his third different rapist sense they

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would Natalie hooked me up with him, and so I'm

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going to be rested. Sure there there there, So we

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might as well just go down and turn ourselves in

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or we get the other optitylight. So and there wasn't

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an oreo argument from beyond that. All the light didn't

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use all those words and reported our parties. Hey, and

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so I said, okay, I'll I'll hold her and you

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use stranger work.

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She begged for only a second to pray, and that

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request was denied. Roy Norris attempted to strangle her with

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his hands for roughly forty five seconds. He tried and

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then recoiled in his own w words. He was disturbed

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by quote the look in her eyes, and then he

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fled to the front of the van and vomited. Larry

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Bittaker took over. He manually strangled loosen to Shaeffer until

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her body collapsed. Her muscles convulsed uncontrollably, but that wasn't enough.

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Larry then twisted a wired coat hanger around her neck

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with vice player grips until the convulsions finally ceased. After

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Until next time, try to enjoy the daylight.

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It's a dark side, what dork.

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Sat dark satage.

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I'm glad you're get the hell out of my house.

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In Jesus' name, I pray.

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Just wander around the beach, take photographs of anybody that's

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you know, and drive around and pull up and talk

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to somebody. Might take some photographs out of the picture.

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Of the van.

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It was just they were there was the Polaris the

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Kodak version of the Polaroid instance, so probably just knock

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them out all the time. I just throw them in

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the box. Another time, we found the notice for close

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to where I was living.

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It was a.

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Bunch of kids washing cars in a parking lot, and

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so we pull up take a few photographs, and a

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woman was sort of chaperoning and apparently thought we was

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the press or something, and eventually found out that we

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weren't associated with the press, and we're just taking the

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photographs of, you know, the girls maybe wearing shorts or

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something washing during this car

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