July 13, 2026

S12, Chapter 2: The Winning Phase

S12, Chapter 2: The Winning Phase
Tapes from the Darkside
S12, Chapter 2: The Winning Phase

Nine apps. Ten days. Hundreds of bets. I'll walk you through what a gambling spiral looks like firsthand. We'll take a look at the $314 million machine that put these apps in front of me. And the illusion of control that almost turned a ten day...

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Nine apps. Ten days. Hundreds of bets.

I'll walk you through what a gambling spiral looks like firsthand. We'll take a look at the $314 million machine that put these apps in front of me. And the illusion of control that almost turned a ten day experiment into something that much much worse.

Karl Jacobson wasn't so lucky.

His childhood; filled with alcoholism and abuse. As a cop, he spent his life trying to become the kind of person who makes others feel safe. The person you can trust.

And the disease that lived in his childhood home found him anyway. Not through a bottle, but through a screen.

Resources
If you or someone you know is struggling with gambling, the National Problem Gambling Helpline is available 24/7 — call or text 1-800-522-4700. Free and confidential.

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Credits and Sources

Editing help by:
Troy Turner / troypiano at https://www.airgigs.com/user/troypiano

Interview Clips

  • Karl Jacobson — "Kica's Corner: Police Chief Karl Jacobson" (Kica Matos, YouTube, ~mid-2022).
  • Karl Jacobson — "Karl Jacobson speaks on new role as New Haven Chief of Police / Full Interview" (swearing-in, July 2022).
Legislative / Documentary Footage
  • U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee Hearing on Legalized Sports Gambling (December 2024). Senator Dick Durbin.
  • Predatory Gambling Documentary — "The Big Con" segment. Les Bernal and others on the financial-exchange model of commercialized gambling.
Betting Advertisements (as cited in the episode)
  • FanDuel television ad
  • BetMGM television ad ("Make it legendary")
  • DraftKings television ad (featuring Kevin Hart)
  • Bet365 television ad ("Bet $10, get $365")
  • DraftKings television ad ("New customers bet five bucks, get 300")
Research & Studies Referenced
  • Ellen Langer (1975), "The Illusion of Control." Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 32(2), 311–328. doi.org/10.1037/0022-3514.32.2.311
  • B.F. Skinner, Schedules of Reinforcement (Ferster & Skinner, 1957).
  • American Gaming Association, Responsible Marketing Code — barred members from using "risk free" (and "free bet") language. americangaming.org
  • LaBrie, LaPlante, Nelson, Schumann & Shaffer (2007), "Assessing the Playing Field: A Prospective Longitudinal Study of Internet Sports Gambling Behavior." Journal of Gambling Studies 23:347–362.
  • Braverman & Shaffer (2012), "How Do Gamblers Start Gambling: Identifying Behavioural Markers for High-Risk Internet Gambling." European Journal of Public Health 22(2):273–278. doi.org/10.1093/eurpub/ckp232
  • Nelson et al. (2019), "Longitudinal Playing Trends Among Daily Fantasy Sports Players." Computers in Human Behavior. sciencedirect.com
  • "A Large-Scale Prospective Study of Big Wins and Their Relationship with Future Financial and Time Involvement in Actual Daily Fantasy Sports Contests" (2021). pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33734785
  • Lesieur & Custer (1984), "Pathological Gambling: Roots, Phases, and Treatment." Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science 474:146–156. journals.sagepub.com
  • Michael Sandel, Justice: What's the Right Thing to Do? (Harvard University; lecture series and book).
  • r/problemgambling — User GamblingRecoveryCom: "Gambling is a paradox where losing is actually the best-case scenario. Winning early is an infection."
Music
  • 20SIX Hundred — "Cimmerian Shade / Last Moments," from the album The Cold Rise From Sleep (2015). Used with permission / licensed. 20sixhundred.bandcamp.com
  • AUGUSTA TREVERORUM — "Nightmares" from the album Blacktape. agsttrvrrm.bandcamp.com
  • Matooma — "Infinite Emptiness"; CTRL S — "SpaceTimeThought"; Shahead Mostafafar — "Into the Next Dimension"; Jamie Bathgate — "Atmo"; DaniHaDani — "Aurora". Licensed via Artlist. artlist.io
  • Just for Kicks — "TV Dinner" (Creative Cut, "Dreamy") and "Why Am I Anxious." Licensed via Artlist. artlist.io

 

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Thank you to our executive producers, Sundean and Aaron. It's

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getting dark Outside.

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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality.

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Listener discretion is advised.

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Fan Duel, DraftKings Bet, MGM, Caesar's Fanatics, Fliff Bet three

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six y five Underdog, and the Score Bet. Between March

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twenty ninth and April seventh, I deposited money into nine

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different sports betting apps. I place bets on baseball, basketball,

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even hockey. I place bets at three in the morning.

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I place bets on my lunch break. I placed bets.

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I don't even remember placing. And here's the part that

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makes the story different for the one you might think

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you're hearing. I was winning.

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I think everyone has a bit of a fascination with

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the dark side.

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I myself always loved the dark side as well.

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I think it's something that everyone secretly longs for in walks.

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The people of this community community need us, and the

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people with this community wants They want the good ones,

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and we're going to be the good ones.

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The dark side.

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The day after Yukon beat Duke, I woke up and

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did something that felt completely rational at the time. I

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signed up for five more apps. I only know this

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because I went back through my bank statements for this series.

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Transaction by transaction. Here's what March thirtieth looked like in

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my Wells Fargo checking account DraftKings five dollars deposit. That

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was the minimum to activate their sign up bonus. You

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put in five and they give you two hundred in

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bonus bets. I remember thinking that's a forty to one

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return before I even pick a team. Bet MGM three

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separate deposits ten dollars, then one hundred, then twenty five,

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Each one unlocked a different promotional tier. The app walked

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me through it, deposit this much, get this bonus, deposit more,

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get a bigger one one hundred and thirty five dollars

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in real money, one hundreds more in bonus bets waiting

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for me. Fanatics one hundred dollars, then another one hundred,

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BET three six five ten dollars, just enough to activate

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the three hundred and sixty five dollars bonus, Caesar's two

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hundred and fifty one dollars, and another four hundred FanDuel

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on top of what was already in there. Five new

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apps plus additional deposits into my existing FanDuel account, all

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in one day. That was over eleven hundred dollars, leaving

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my checking account before dinnertime, and every app I opened

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had a little pile of free bets waiting for me,

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like chocolates on a hotel pillow. The next day, March thirty, first,

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I signed up for the score Bet five hundred dollars deposit,

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then another five hundred, one thousand dollars to an app

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I had never heard of twenty four hours earlier. I

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put another three hundred into DraftKings and another four hundred

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and twenty five into bet MGM. Then April First, Bet

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three sixty five again, two hundred and seventy nine dollars,

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this time on my credit card. Yes, I know, only

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a fucking idiot would fund their fan Duel account with

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a credit card. I wouldn't discover this until days later,

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but Wells Fargo charged me a fee on this transaction. Now,

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there was no warning in the app that using a

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credit card would trigger such a fee. Should I have

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known better? Probably, Yet the reality was the bank charged

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me a thirteen dollars a ninety five cent cash advanced fee.

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Wells Fargo like all banks, classify gambling deposits as cash advances,

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higher fee, higher interest rate, and the interest starts accruing immediately.

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There is no grace period. Most apps don't even let

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you deposit with a credit card. Almost every other app

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I used Apple Pay tied to my debit card. But

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when I saw Bet three six' five had a credit card,

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OPTION i, thought why not get some reward points While

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i'm at. It that's the kind of logic that makes

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perfect sense at the time and sounds Looney. Tunes three weeks,

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later NOW i realized WHAT i was actually, doing which

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was training my brain to believe that funding bets with

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a credit card was a viable. Option it was as

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easy as tapping a, screen and in the future it

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would be oh so much easier to reach for the

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credit card, if, say the bank account was running a little.

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Dry two days, Later april, third another credit card deposit

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twenty five dollars to the, score, bet another ten dollars

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cash advance fee twenty three. Dollars in ninety five cents

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in total fees across two, deposits not a lot of,

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money but the bank was sending me a SIGNAL i

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wouldn't understand until much. LATER i was now using two

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different funding sources to feed nine different, apps and then

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On april, second the stakes were. Upped underdog two thousand dollars,

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deposit the largest single DEPOSIT i made during the entire ten,

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days two thousand dollars in one transaction to an App

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i'd had for less than a. Day here's what The

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underdog promo looked like on the. Surface deposit two thousand

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dollars and get a thousand dollars bonus fifty percent. Match

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here's what was buried in the terms of service THAT

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i didn't read until about an hour. Later the thousand

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dollars bonus could only be played through on, parlays not straight,

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bets not money, lines parlays, only and the original two

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thousand dollars deposit also had playthrough requirements BEFORE i could

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withdraw any of. IT i was locked. In WHEN i first,

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STARTED i was mostly picking high odd two leg parlays

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that would be more likely to. HIT i just wanted

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to churn a couple hundred from the bonus money without

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thinking too. Hard but NOW i see WHAT i was actually,

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doing which was priming my brain to see parlays as

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yet another viable option for making, money and after hitting

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it big on a dozen of, them my confidence in

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this area started to grow. Too if you haven't bet,

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before a parlay is when you chain multiple bets together

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into one. Ticket say you pick The brewers to win

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and the over on run totals and a player to

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hit a home. Run all three legs have to hit

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or the whole ticket. Loses the payout multiplies because the odds.

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Stack say a five leg parlay on a ten dollars

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bet can pay, hundreds if not, thousands of, dollars but

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the math is. BRUTAL a straight bet against the spread

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and you win roughly half the. Time a five leg

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parlay you win maybe three percent of the. Time the

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sportsbook's cut jumps from around five percent on a money

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line to over twenty percent on same game. Parlays by

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restricting The underdog bonus to parlay, only the company guaranteed

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that most of that thousand dollars would eventually come back to.

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Them the, promo like all, promos wasn't a. Gift it

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was a. Primer one more thing About underdog is that

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it isn't a traditional sports. Book neither Is, fliff WHICH

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i also used both operate in legal gray Areas underdog

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runs under Daily fantasy sports. Licensing in states where sports

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betting isn't, legal they call their parlay style bets pick them.

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Contests as For, fliff they operate as a sweepstakes platform

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using virtual currency that can be redeemed for cash, loopholes

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and that's what these apps are built. ON i didn't

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know any of this WHEN i signed. UP i just

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knew the promos looked. Generous at the end of those

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two to three, DAYS i had every sports betting app

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could legally download in the state Of North. Carolina that's

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what acceleration looks like from the inside of a checking.

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Account it doesn't climb in a straight line and holds

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steady and then. Jumps one, day you're putting in one hundred.

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Dollars three days, later you're putting in two, thousand and

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you don't feel the jump because each step had a,

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reason a, promo to claim a, bonus to unlock a,

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system to, execute and to be honest with, you the

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deposits weren't the part that kept me. Going the withdrawals

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were not the kind of withdrawals usually associated with. Addiction

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i'm talking cash withdraws On april first three days IN

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i pulled twenty four hundred dollars out of the score

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bed back into my checking. ACCOUNT i deposited one, thousand

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fourteen hundred dollars profit on one, app and three days

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and eight other apps were also. Running that withdrawal didn't

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feel like a, warning felt like. PROOF i had a.

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Plan FanDuel's three hundred dollars bet reset token promotion ran

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for ten days, straight ten, tokens ten days of, bets

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SO i decided to play it all the way through day.

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ELEVEN i uninstall, everything cash, out and walk. Away if

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you haven't used sports betting, apps the promos sound, interchangeable

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and they're not. EXACTLY a deposit bonus is the money

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you put in and the app matches. It you deposit

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one hundred and they give you another hundred and bonus.

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BETS a profit boost means you make a bet and

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the app pays out more than the odds normally would

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allow free upside paid for it by the house odds

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boost same kind of. Deal the app takes a specific

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bet and temporarily improves the. Odds and then there's the

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one that got me through the. Door the bet, reset

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sometimes called a second chance, bet sometimes called a No sweat.

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Bet here's how it. Works you place a bet with

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your own, money real. Money if you win. Great if you,

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lose the app gives you an amount, back not as,

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cash but as bonus, bets non withdrawable credits that expire

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in seven to fourteen. Days if you win with those,

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credits the app keeps the original steake amount and only

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pays out the. Profit so a three hundred dollars risk

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free bet at even odds is not exactly worth three

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hundred dollars if you lose and get the bonus bet.

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Back that bonus converts to real cash as roughly sixty

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to seventy cents on the dollar if you play it.

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Perfectly most people. Don't the term risk free got so

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misleading that The American Gaming association band member companies from

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using it as Of JULY, ti twenty twenty, three and

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that's why the apps rebranded it To No sweat and second.

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Chance the mechanics didn't, change just the. Label all three

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types of promos hit your inbox at different rates depending

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on how the app reads your. BEHAVIOR i THOUGHT i

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was choosing which apps to bet on based on which

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ones had the best? Promos what was actually. Happening the

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apps that liked my behavior kept feeding me. Promos the

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apps that didn't. STOPPED i wasn't picking, them they were picking.

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Me by day, FIVE i was almost exclusively using Fan, Duel, DraftKings,

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fanatics And caesar's because those were the ones that were

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sending me. Offers bet three six' five had, Gone quiet

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fliff had. GONE quiet i drifted away. FROM them i

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thought that was. My decision my phone changed during that

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Week before march. Twenty ninth my home screen had the usual, Stuff, Messages.

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Instagram spotify after, the flood there were nine, new icons,

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Bright colors DraftKings, IN green, Fandul, BLUE Bet, mgm gold

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each one with a, notification badge each one sending. Push

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alerts your bonus bet is waiting tonight's, odd boost you

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have free bets. Expiring soon, nine apps all competing for

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the same, real estate all whispering the. Same thing. Open

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me my phone had become a. SLOT machine i was

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carrying it in my pocket sixteen hours. A day i

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was sleeping with it on my nightstand or, more accurately under,

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my pillow and EVERY time i picked, it up nine

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sports books were fighting for. The rights you take. My money.

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DARK side i usually don't discuss THE work i do outside,

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this podcast but today that's going. TO change i work

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second shift at a drug and alcohol rehab center as a.

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Clinical aid there was a client who came through during

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that TIME who i took a liking to talk, about,

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philosophy recovery. Anything really and this guy used to trade options.

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Full time he, was smart, understood markets. Probability risk he

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was THE one i celebrated With when yukon hit that.

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Buzzer beater we jumped up from the couch. High fived

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i'd shown him the bet and he'd seen. The payout

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one day during, a shift we were talking about the

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betting apps and he said, three words viable. SIDE gig

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i immediately shrugged. Him off. I'm out but that's all.

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It took once someone says it, out loud the thing

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you've been whispering to yourself starts to. COME real i

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laughed off. The idea i'm not. AN idiot i know

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gambling is obviously never going to pay. The bills but

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that thing in the crawl space doesn't need you to

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believe it. Right away it just needs you to not

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close the. DOOR entirely i, started THINKING if i could

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make an extra two to three hundred dollars, a night

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a couple hours, OF work i could just do the

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podcast thing full time and bed a little on. THE

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side i subconsciously began to entertain this belief while knowing

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INTELLECTUALLY everything i told you last episode about dopamine and

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cross addiction AND the. Dsm five but knowledge doesn't. Protect

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you knowing the science doesn't. Protect you understanding the math doesn't.

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Protect you the thing in the crawl space doesn't care what.

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You know it cares how. You feel AND what i felt, was,

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competent special like the promos might make an addict out,

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of others but.

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Not me.

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In nineteen, seventy five a Psychologist Named ellen langer ran

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an Experiment. At yale she gave office workers. Lottery tickets

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half got to pick their, own ticket half were handed one.

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At random before, the drawing she asked what price they'd

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Sell for the people who chose their own ticket demanded

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nearly four and a half times, more money, same lottery,

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same odds but the act of choosing made people believe

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they had influence over a purely. Random outcome langer called

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it the illusion. Of control sports betting triggers it harder

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than almost any other form. Of gambling you're not pulling a.

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Slot lever, you're researching you're, analyzing matchups you're. Watching film

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you have. A system a two thousand and four study

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followed thirty expert hockey betters across a. Full season their

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actual returns were no better than. Random picks the sportsbook's

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margin wiped out every bit of. Their expertise the, researcher's

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conclusion the skills sports betters believe they have are. COGNITIVE

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distortions i had, A system i had, A spreadsheet i

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had an options trader TELLING me i was good, at

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THIS and i had nine apps in my pocket confirming.

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The illusion the dopamine high from winning a bet. IS

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real i told you about it. Last episode the, mesolymbic PATHWAY,

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the vta the, nucleus occumbents all. Of IT but i

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need to be honest about the scale. Of it the

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high of winning a bet for me was nothing like

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the high. Of alcohol it was nothing. Like oxycodone those

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were my drugs, of choice or maybe, more accurately drugs of.

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No choice the FIRST time i took a, real drink

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the FIRST time i took an oxy my whole body

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lit up in a way that gambling never came close.

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To matching gambling wasn't bigger than my. Old highs it, was, smaller,

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Quieter duller and that might actually be what makes it

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all the. More cunning somewhere around day four, OR five i.

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WAS exhausted i was not. SLEEPING well i was checking

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odds through my. Work day the rush of each individual

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wind had. FLATTENED out, i knew on a very, CONSCIOUS

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level i was not enjoying, this ANYMORE and i still

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ended UP where i ended up on. Day eleven the

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flood that hit me didn't come out. Of nowhere somebody built.

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The river somebody spent a lot of money. Building it

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in twenty, Twenty, Four DraftKings, fan duel AND bet mgm

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spend it combined three hundred and fourteen million dollars on

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television advertising in a. Single Year john ham's done A Commercial.

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You'll Never forget BET Him, Gm sportsbook make It Legendary.

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Lebron james i'm to.

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Take it to the House, with DraftKings, new customers bet,

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five bucks get.

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Three Hundred, Kevin, Hart Yeah kevin hart. SPORTS books i respect, The.

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Hustle DraftKings Respect jamie fox, in here.

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Bet him GM's got all the sports betting.

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And One, Tom Brady, vince Vaughn And wayne gretzky did.

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One TOGETHER em.

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Jm is for everyone that loves, sports betting Everyone But.

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Tom, brady wait WHAT did?

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I DO and i think there's been a. Couple Others,

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Charles barkley, Shaquille O'Neill, Derek Jeter, Barry sanders Peyton And,

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Eli Manning, Vanessa Hudgens, Kevin Garnett, Jalen Rose, Marshawn Lynch,

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David Artiz, Tony Hawk, Kendall, Jenner Ludacris, RYAN. Seacrest, Jb Smooth,

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Patton Oswald, Gordon Ramsay, Halle Berry, Rob Gronkouncy, Luis, Kusman

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Olivia Don, Drew Brees Jerome, Bettis Drake, Neil, Patrick Harris Christian, Ronaldo,

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Namer Junior, Paris Hill, Nicki, minajen Yes the undertaker that.

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Doesn't count digital social media, podcast sponsorships, stadium signage or.

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Influencer deals these are not. Informational ads they're not explaining.

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A product they're associating gambling, with, laughter, status competition. And

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friendship they're embedding sportsbook apps into the emotional fabric of,

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watching sports so that opening DraftKings feels as natural as

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checking the Score During, march MADNESS while i was downloading,

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nine APPS every ncaa tournament broadcast had sportsbook ads running.

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During timeouts every SPORTS podcast i listened to opened with

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a promo Code Read my instagram feed was serving me

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targeted draftking ads because my Phone knew i'd visited. Their

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websites ESPN's scoreboard app had a bet button built into the.

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Game page you couldn't check a score box without. Seeing

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odds it was everywhere woven into the experience of being

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a sports fan so thoroughly that not betting started to

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feel like the, weird CHOICE like i was the only

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person at the party without. A Drink in december twenty,

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twenty Four The United States Senate judiciary committee held a

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hearing on legalized. Sports Gambling Senator dick durbin opened with

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this with.

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The advent of online, sports betting everyone's cell phone is a.

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Sports book LAST night i went to. A reception A

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fella i didn't know came up to me, and said

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thanks for having. This HEARING and, i said what's your interest?

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In?

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It said my son's at An ivy. League school he bets,

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every day and his fellow students. Do too it has

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become so common they aren't even think it's a. New phenomenon.

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What, it is we call it the big con taking, a,

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known dangerous an addictive product and then blaming it with

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a fraudulent and manipulative financial SCHEME.

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Some usa how?

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Is it how is online gambling or big time commercial?

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Casino operators how are they different than any? Other BUSINESS

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if i want to go To A minnesota, VIKINGS game

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i buy a ticket to. THE game i get. That,

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experience okay it's a one for. One exchange commercialized gambling

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is a financial exchange that's mathematically stacked. Against you the

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longer you participate, in it the more frequently you participate,

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in participating it's a mathematical guarantee you're going to lose all.

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Your cash you're driving on, the highway there's a billboard

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for you're watching, the show there's a commercial for you're on,

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your phone there's. An, advertisement NO it's, i mean it's

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probably testibate how much moneys in the industry with it,

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Right now but it's everywhere.

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You look the sports books and the commercials and the

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leagues themselves are making it look so cool to gamble

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and risk.

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And money it's being marketed much more now as like.

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Fun play, be happy, sell sports but just be aware

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that it. Destroys lives gamblers have a highest suicide rate

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compared to any other. You, KNOW addiction i think that

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it being so ameshed, in society we're really just at

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the beginning. OF It.

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A landmark uk study analyzed one hundred and thirty nine thousand.

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Gambling accounts eighty percent of revenue it came from just

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five point seven percent. Of. Gamblers addicts the business model

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doesn't need most people to, lose big it needs a

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small number of people to. Lose everything have you ever

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seen a? Venus flytrap it, sits still it, Doesn't chase

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it opens its mouth. And waits on the inside of

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that mouth is a sweetened nectar that. Attracts insects the,

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insect lands and the fly trap, doesn't close, not yet

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because of its. Snap shut every time something. Touched it

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it would waste energy on things that weren't, Worth digesting so,

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it waits and it only closes when the insect crosses a,

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specific threshold a exact number of contact points that must. Be,

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triggered then and only then does the trap. Spring shut

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three hundred and fourteen million dollars, Of nectar Kevin Hart,

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lebron James The manning brothers the scents and it gets

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the attention, of insects and it gets them. To land

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and once, you've landed there's, free bets, deposit matches. Profit

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boosts the trap, is open, you're inside, feels, roomy spacious

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and then the trap starts analyzing. Your behavior, every bets,

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every deposit, every session the trap is. Testing you are

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you a profitable customer or a? Bonus hunter are you

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going to chase losses or walk away with. The promo

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the sensors, are firing and once you hit these specific,

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pressure points the. Trap closes for, some people that's the

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first big. Unheedged bet for some it's the first deposit

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from a. Credit card for some it's the moment they

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stop watching a game for enjoyment and start watching it

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purely for the. Bet outcome different triggers for, different insects

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but for every person the industry turns into a long term.

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Losing customer there is a specific moment with the trap.

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Snap Shut carl jacobsen was inside a closed fly trap

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by the time he. Was arrested i'm gonna show you

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later in this series exactly when the trap closed. On

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me the fly trap doesn't have to, chase you it

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just has.

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To exist we'll be right back after a. Quick break.

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In two thousand, and seven Researchers At Harvard medical school

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got access to something no gambling study had ever. Had

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before real. Betting data, not surveys not, self reports actual

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anonymized account level records from tens of thousands of real

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customers On, b win A major european. Sports book they

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could see, every deposit, every bet every win and loss

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in real time. At scale one of the things they

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found was simple. And devastating people who experienced a big

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early win placed more bets in, subsequent weeks wagered, larger

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amounts took on, more risk and lost more money. Over

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time early winning made them long. TERM losers a separate

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study tracked thirty four thousand daily fantasy Sports subscrit greiber's.

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Same findings big wins led to higher, entry fees, more

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contests and greater. Net losses fifty five percent of at

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risk gamblers recalled beginner's luck as a. Formative memory the

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memory of winning early isn't just a nice story you.

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Tell yourself it's a clinical predictor of what. Comes Next

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Doctor robert custer mapped the progression of gambling disorder back

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in nineteen eighty four, three stages the, winning phase the,

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losing phase the. Desperation phase nobody skips the winning phase

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because without it you. Walk away as, YOU know i

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won two hundred and fifty two dollars on a one

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point three percent. Probability game carl won somewhere early in his.

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Cycle two we both entered the, winning phase and what

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it did to both of us it changed our relationship

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with our. Own judgment in the first, FOUR days i,

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was disciplined. GENUINELY disciplined i, was hedging placing a bet on,

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one app then placing the opposite bet on a different

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app at a, different line locking in a small guaranteed

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profit from the gap between the. Two books the profit,

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was modest but it Was certain by, DAY six i

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had stopped. Hedging entirely the shift didn't feel like. A

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collapse it felt like. A promotion the hedging, was. MECHANICAL

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boring i was spending an hour setting up guaranteed thirty

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dollars PROFITS when i could just pick the right side

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and make. Three hundred each step, Was incremental each step

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made sense in the context of the step, before it

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and by THE time i, looked up the entire foundation

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OF what i was doing. Had changed and that's how.

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Addiction works it doesn't. Announce itself it adjusts, the settings

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one click at, a time until you're living in a

425
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:01.119
completely different program and you don't remember. The switch the

426
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:06.440
client's voice was in, my head, viable sidekick and my record.

427
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:14.039
Was confirmation, april fifth twenty, twenty six three point thirty

428
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.400
two in. The morning by THIS point i had been

429
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.119
betting for a, week straight placing bets, at lunch checking

430
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:23.119
odds while people were talking, to me waking up and

431
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:25.880
reaching for my phone before my feet hit, the floor

432
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:29.759
not to check the time or my emails, or messages

433
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:33.200
but to check if my overnight bet. Had Settled on,

434
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.839
FanDuel alone i had already made at least twenty seven

435
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:41.000
bets across the eight. OTHER apps i guarantee the number

436
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:45.599
of individual bets was over. One hundred at three thirty

437
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.400
two in, THE morning i placed a three hundred dollars

438
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:52.759
bet reset token On The cincinnati reds minus one point

439
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:56.599
five on the. Run line odds were plus one Sixty

440
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.960
four reds favored to win by two. Or more rough.

441
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:04.640
Plus money not exactly a, long shot but definitely not a.

442
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:08.400
Guaranteed thing if you GUESS that i watched that, game

443
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.200
live you'd. Be CORRECT but i didn't just watch. IT

444
00:30:12.279 --> 00:30:15.319
live i watched it like it Was The, world series

445
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.680
a random game On a, sunday afternoon featuring two TEAMS

446
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:23.720
that i would never normally. Tune into it was a

447
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.440
three hundred dollars bet at one sixty. Four odds that's

448
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:31.200
a four hundred and ninety two, DOLLARS profit a payout

449
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:35.160
of eight. Hundred dollars eight hundred dollars is a full

450
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:36.160
Week's pay at my.

451
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:40.279
Day job Grand And right side And through wave is

452
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:43.119
on the scoop and right nimble fire to The plane

453
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.960
head's late head first line mclade HiT's two To one

454
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:48.240
cincinnati early eight.

455
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.000
Men are on first and. Second Base the reds are up.

456
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:57.359
By one everything is going according, to PLAN but i

457
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.559
Need the reds to win by. Two runs and two,

458
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:01.799
pitches later.

459
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.759
That's lined and down at left field base it stop

460
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.079
signing at Third Day la cruz. Late breaks could he have?

461
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:12.079
SCORED there i, thought.

462
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:17.119
So, another hit but the third base Coach Held Ellie

463
00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.720
dela cruz at. Third base could he have? Scored, THERE

464
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.039
honestly i. DON'T know i, think so but no one.

465
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.599
Really Knows Ellie dela cruz used to be in the

466
00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:32.799
top FIVE fastest mlb players in, the league clocking in

467
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:37.440
at thirty one miles an, hour absurd but he started

468
00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.559
bulking up in recent years to, gain power and his

469
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.799
agility has taken a. Noticeable hits he is no longer

470
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.960
even the fastest person on. His team but still there

471
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:54.039
was only. One out bases. ARE loaded i just needed one.

472
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.079
More run it could be a, sack fly it could be,

473
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:01.519
a bunt, a. Groundball anything the one thing it could

474
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.119
not be was a double play.

475
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.279
On two pitch man that one is line a second

476
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.240
Cut by smith back to the.

477
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.160
About that sometimes he's got.

478
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.000
A Break tela cruz was way down the line at

479
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:22.680
Third and smith with the long thrown nailed him to in.

480
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:27.680
The inning inning, over In the reds would not. Score

481
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.880
again they won, the game but only by, one run

482
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.759
and i lost my three. Hundred dollars i'd been winning for,

483
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:42.160
a week and this loss. Landed Different the tennessee loss

484
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.519
Back on march twenty ninth. DIDN'T register i MEANT what

485
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.279
i said back in episode one slid, off me but

486
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.240
this one stayed because winning changes what a loss. Feels

487
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:57.480
like after, a streak a loss isn't a normal. Outcome

488
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:01.240
anymore feels, like theft like something that belonged to you,

489
00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:04.920
Got taken and the response your brain generates before your

490
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:10.640
conscious mind gets a vote is get. It back that response.

491
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.680
Is physical it's not even really. A thought it's not.

492
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:17.640
A decision it's a tightening in, your chest a heat behind,

493
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:22.440
your eyes an urgency, that, says now don't consult, your sponsor,

494
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:25.440
your spreadsheet or. Your friends and by the time your

495
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:29.079
prefrontal cortex catches up and tries to pump, the brakes

496
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:33.880
the bed is. Already placed that, is lost chasing one

497
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.880
of the diagnostic criteria for gambling disorder IN the. Dsm

498
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:44.279
five the, Next day April Sixth milwaukee brewers At The Boston.

499
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:48.000
RED sox i Bet the brewers not on one app

500
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:54.079
On five FanDuel three hundred dollars Bonus bet brewers money

501
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:58.559
line minus One eight FanDuel again three hundred dollars bet

502
00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:04.079
Reset token brewers, minus One sixteen caesar ten dollars Bonus

503
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:08.719
bet brewers, minus One fifteen fanatics two hundred, dollars wager

504
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.159
one hundred dollar bet match another one hundred, dollars match

505
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:18.800
multiple profit boosted side bets, All brewers DraftKings twenty dollars

506
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.800
with a fifty percent. Profit boost underdog forty nine To

507
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:27.840
fifty brewers, To win underdog forty nine to. Ninety five

508
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:32.599
Entry on brewers to win, one game five apps and

509
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.960
every single dollar on the, same side, no hedge no

510
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:39.159
opposite bet on a different book.

511
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:42.199
On the ground, RIGHT side a long way to.

512
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.280
His left zoran uses the range to, get there And

513
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:46.599
the brewers are eight.

514
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:52.280
And Two the brewers won five apps one. After another

515
00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.199
FanDuel settled one two hundred and seventy. Nine dollars fan

516
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:02.199
duel again settled one five hundred fifty. Eight dollars DraftKings.

517
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:09.199
Settled one caesar's settled one fanatics settled one one. One

518
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:14.599
one my phone lit up like, a switchboard, confetti animations,

519
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:18.039
victory sounds each one engineered to make the moment feel

520
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.960
bigger than, it was multiplied that across. Five apps at the.

521
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.599
SAME time i won somewhere around fifteen hundred dollars on,

522
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:31.079
one GAME and i. Felt power it wasn't just. THE

523
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.000
money i FELT like i had cracked, the code and,

524
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.880
MOST importantly i FELT like i needed to place the.

525
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:43.119
Next bet the high of, that win my biggest, to

526
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:46.599
date the biggest in, my life had a half life

527
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.440
of around forty. Five minutes there was something going on

528
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:53.880
underneath that HIGH that i didn't feel. RIGHT away i

529
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:57.320
think it truly started the, next morning a kind, of,

530
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.880
emptiness grayness like THE joy i just had experienced that

531
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:06.480
last night wasn't, actually Mine like i'd. Borrowed it that

532
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.480
feeling has. A name it's been studied for over one,

533
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.519
hundred years and it's the reason sobriety alone never fixed

534
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:17.400
Anything For carl jacobson or. For me the thing in

535
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.000
the crawl space. Wasn't hungry it, was full comfortable feed

536
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.760
up on, the furniture settled in like it owned the

537
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:29.360
place and me, upstairs asleep THINKING that i was running.

538
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:34.159
The show the thing about mobile gambling is that it's

539
00:36:34.280 --> 00:36:37.800
nothing like going to. The casino you don't, drive somewhere

540
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:42.039
gamble for, three hours and. Drive home mobile gambling, is.

541
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:46.480
Ambient atmospheric it lives in the margins of. Your day

542
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.559
you check the app while you're, making coffee you check

543
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.239
it while you're waiting for, the microwave and a red

544
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.400
light check it in. The bathroom every time, you check something,

545
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.239
has changed a bet, has settled a line, has moved

546
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:05.079
a bonus, has unlocked a. Notification popped the dopamine doesn't

547
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.039
come in one. Big wave it comes in one hundred

548
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:12.199
tiny pulses spread across the, entire day each one small

549
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.800
enough that it doesn't really feel, like anything feels like checking,

550
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:18.320
your phone which everyone does one hundred times a. Day

551
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:23.119
anyways but the cumulative effect is a brain receiving intermittent

552
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.400
reinforcement from the moment you wake up to the moment you.

553
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:32.679
Fall asleep and, intermittent reinforcement as THE Psychologist bf skinner documented,

554
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.840
decades ago is the most powerful schedule for maintaining, a

555
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:42.199
behavior more powerful than, constant reward more powerful than, predictable

556
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:47.679
reward the, not knowing the maybe, this time that's. The

557
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:53.440
design there's a concept in gambling psychology called aspiration. Level

558
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:59.039
shift your internal. Goalpusts MOVE when, i started my goal,

559
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.280
was simple extract a few hundred dollars from the sign

560
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.039
up bonuses and. Walk away by, day six the goal.

561
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:11.000
Had shifted build, a system make, consistent income replace the

562
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.360
need for a. Second job there's a post on our

563
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:22.519
slash problem Gambling User Gambling recovery calm. Posted quotes gambling is.

564
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:26.639
A paradox we're losing is actually the best. Case scenario

565
00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:28.840
winning early is.

566
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.960
An infection it teaches your brain and, this works and

567
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:38.320
by the time the, losing starts infection has already. Taken hold.

568
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:59.400
We'll be right back after a. Quick break don't. Go anywhere.

569
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.639
At the beginning of, this episode during the, theme music

570
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.039
you heard, a voice a. Man's voice That Was. Carl

571
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:08.599
jacobson and this is, his story not the, arrest story not,

572
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.679
the warrant not, the confession the story before, all that

573
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:19.079
the one that makes everything after. It hurt the easiest

574
00:39:19.079 --> 00:39:22.480
way to get To know carl is to do what

575
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:24.199
you do when you want to get to know anyone

576
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:28.280
which is to spend some time. With Him so i'm

577
00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.760
gonna place you in a Room with carl and a Woman.

578
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:37.280
Named kika they did an interview TOGETHER for wnhh one oh.

579
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.599
THREE five i found this video on YouTube and it

580
00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.039
has a grand total of twenty, four views not twenty

581
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:49.440
four thousand or twenty, four hundred twenty, four TOTAL and

582
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:51.679
i know at least five or six of those are.

583
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.920
From me the live broadcast undoubtedly had more than twenty.

584
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.639
FOUR listeners i can't tell you exactly. How many this

585
00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:03.159
kind of of hyper local community radio station doesn't even

586
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:06.480
track those kinds. OF numbers i share these details with

587
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.679
you to show you the kind of. Police chief karl

588
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:12.679
was the kind that took an hour out of his

589
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:16.280
day to communicate with the actual People Of new haven

590
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.639
to be interviewed for a show that only a few

591
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:23.000
hundred or maybe few thousand people whatever here.

592
00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:25.320
Talk to us.

593
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:30.639
About why from a very early age you already knew

594
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.079
that you were going to become a. Police OFFICER so

595
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:38.920
i grew up in a household with. Alcoholism abuse there were,

596
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.119
some issues, you know and when the police arrived as a,

597
00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:46.239
SMALL kid i. Felt safe my step parents and other

598
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:48.320
people didn't feel safe because they were probably going. To

599
00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:51.159
jail but as a, LITTLE boy i, felt SAFE and,

600
00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:53.880
I said i want to do SOMETHING where i, help

601
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:56.199
people AND when i, show up people.

602
00:40:56.239 --> 00:41:00.760
FEEL safe a boy in a, chaotic home adults, who

603
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.119
drank and then the police arrived and the boy. Felt

604
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:08.199
safe the boy decided right then that he wanted to

605
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.719
be the person who makes other people feel, that way

606
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.079
and he held on to that for twenty. Nine years

607
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:17.679
he held. Onto it He Found, new haven he saw the,

608
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.800
walking beats the community, policing model and, he said THAT'S

609
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.840
where i want. To go, He went he climbed, the

610
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:28.599
ranks and then in late twenty, twenty two the City

611
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:32.440
Chose carl jacobson to. Lead it everyone who spoke at

612
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.400
his appointment said the. Same, thing officers, community members. Or

613
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:40.280
organizers they, all said this is. The guy he, gets it,

614
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:44.119
He cares and when the Interviewer asked carl what his

615
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:46.800
top priority would be in the, big chair he.

616
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:50.880
Didn't hesitate the officers need a chief, that's present, that's

617
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:54.480
here that's coming in, every day going, to meetings going.

618
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.800
On homicides i'm not there. To criticize i'm there to

619
00:41:57.880 --> 00:42:01.320
show HIM that i. Care too you know there's a corny.

620
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.559
Saying That Actually chief essemen used, to say they don't

621
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:06.119
care what you know till they know that.

622
00:42:06.159 --> 00:42:06.760
YOU care.

623
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.519
I just want to touch on, One Kid, curtis ratchford

624
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:15.480
who came who was involved in. A gang i took

625
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:17.320
him out For a sunday and a burger with a

626
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.679
couple other probation officers and we were getting them hooked up.

627
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:24.000
With school two, days later he shot SOMEBODY and i

628
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:26.960
had to arrest him. FOR it i was there when

629
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.519
he got out of jail, To say i'm here.

630
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:29.079
For you what do?

631
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.039
You need HOW can i help you? Stay alive and

632
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.039
he actually said in that hearing that he feels he's

633
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:35.960
alive today because.

634
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.960
Of me, you know.

635
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:47.960
It's been a, long week but, you know we have

636
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.440
officers that have relationships. LIKE that i want all of

637
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.159
our officers to have to have relationships. LIKE that i

638
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:59.159
have to be. The example and, you know the people

639
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.599
of this comedian unity, need us and the people with

640
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.239
those community. Want us they want the, good ones and

641
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:04.960
we're going to be the.

642
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.800
Good ones the Host asked carl to describe himself in.

643
00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:10.840
THREE words i.

644
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:13.239
Hope they would be a, good DAD because i have two,

645
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:22.119
Beautiful children so dad leader. And trustworthy his.

646
00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:26.119
Kids would watch their father. Get arrested his leadership would

647
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:28.960
end in a press conference where the, mayor said no

648
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:33.000
one is above, the law and trustworthy was the word

649
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:38.000
the whole city. Choked On carl jacobson grew up in

650
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.719
a home. With alcoholism he. Survived it he built an

651
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.800
identity around being the opposite of the adults who, heard

652
00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:49.360
him and the disease that lived in his childhood home found,

653
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:53.480
him anyways not through, a bottle but through. A screen

654
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.599
the fly trap had Opened and carl.

655
00:43:58.519 --> 00:43:59.559
HAD landed.

656
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.239
I told you at the beginning of this EPISODE that

657
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:07.559
i had. A Plan The Fandual bet reset promotion ran

658
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:11.400
for ten, days straight, ten tokens ten days. Of bets,

659
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:17.400
DAY eleven i, uninstall everything, cash out and. Walk away by.

660
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:20.519
Day ten that plan felt LIKE something i told myself

661
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.440
a long, time ago like a promise you make to

662
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:27.760
a version of yourself that doesn't. Exist anymore day. ELEVEN

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came i was on the phone with, my sponsor and

664
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while we, were talking a notification slid down the top of.

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My screen FanDuel five hundred Dollars bet reset token the

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biggest one they had ever. Sent me on, day eleven

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when the bonuses were supposed to have, Run out it's

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almost like. They knew that's because they. Did know the

669
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fly trap had been reading my pattern for. Ten days

670
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it saw what kind OF insect, i was saw the

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deposits the frequent and see the, session lengths and it

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offered the sweetest nectar it had at the EXACT moment

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i was supposed to, FLY away i didn't. Fly away

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I never. Gambled before my life once turned twenty one

685
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:17.360
and me and my best friend went Out, TO vegas i,

686
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.000
you know learned how to play BLACKJACK and i started.

687
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:23.199
WINNING money i ended up winning like a thousand dollars.

688
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.360
Out there we were out there for. Six days the

689
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:28.480
LAST night i, WAS there i was at At the

690
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.760
palms Or hard rock, or SOMEWHERE and i don't. REALLY

691
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.639
didn't i don't really KNOW what i. WAS doing i

692
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:37.239
just kept pushing a lot of chips up there and

693
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:40.159
kept winning. Every hand, you know, BLACKJACK twenty i was

694
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.880
just on a roll on a street and we had

695
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.559
to fly Back. To charlotte our flight. Was leaving, he's like,

696
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:48.400
come on we got, to GO and i just had all.

697
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.599
This money so THEN when i, GOT back i had

698
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:53.880
the FEVER and i, was, LIKE man i want to.

699
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:56.440
You KNOW so i found out that there was blackjack

700
00:46:56.480 --> 00:46:59.320
tables Up At. Harris CHEROKEE so i started going up there,

701
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.719
and gambling and, YOU know i went a, little bit

702
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.159
lose a, little bit and THEN before i, knew it,

703
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:06.239
YOU know i was just getting deeper. Into debt and

704
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:08.280
when did it escalate out?

705
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:08.960
Of control do.

706
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:11.960
You remember Most weekends i'd go up there, and LOSE

707
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.280
like i felt like, my thousand two thousand and one.

708
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:19.639
Week in more, THAN that i quit keeping track. Pretty

709
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.840
much they had a program where they could ban you

710
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:26.079
could ban yourself like self eighty. SIX yourself i did

711
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.719
THAT and i just never really. WENT back i just

712
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:33.519
REALIZED that i can't even go into a, casino really

713
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:36.400
you KNOW what, i mean because as SOON as i walk,

714
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.320
IN there I mean i want to go to a

715
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.519
black jack table and, start playing because it's so addictive

716
00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:46.320
and it's, you know the change of luck can happen.

717
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.599
So fast there was some NIGHTS when i was up

718
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:53.039
like five, or, six, ten fifteen twenty thousand dollars up

719
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.119
right in front. OF me i started like a thousand

720
00:47:55.159 --> 00:47:58.400
and have and have won like ten. Times that BUT

721
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:02.480
then i. WOULDN'T stop i would just, keep gambling give it.

722
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.400
All back And then i'd go up to the hotel

723
00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:07.840
Room and i'd get comped hotel rooms and they had

724
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.639
like a. Diamond car they had this little private Room

725
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:12.679
for diamond card Members at harris where it was just

726
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:17.599
nothing but just hardcore at. Dambling acts i'd walk in

727
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.559
there and, look around smoke, a cigarette and go back.

728
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:22.360
And PLAY but i can't Say if i'm a real.

729
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:25.920
Gambling attic BUT when i get, in, there man if

730
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:30.679
something takes Over and i'm, just, like whoa because You lost,

731
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:34.559
OH probably i mean the, EXACT amount i. DON'T know

732
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:39.320
i would probably say anywhere from fifty two one hundred

733
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:44.280
grand maybe more with debt. CREDIT card, I mean i'd

734
00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:47.719
defile bankruptcy, over it you KNOW if, I would like

735
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.159
this is fifteen twenty. Years ago i'll tell a STORY

736
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:54.559
when i Was In las VEGAS when i first went

737
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.840
out there in two thousand. And two we're At. THE

738
00:48:56.880 --> 00:49:00.480
stratosphere i was at a black jack table and that

739
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.920
was all these police lines and. STUFF everywhere i was

740
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:04.599
talking to the dealer and talking. All this, she's, like

741
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.519
yeah this young kid lost everything he had and threw

742
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:11.119
himself from the top the one of the, motel rooms

743
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:14.079
jumped off. THE balcony i, was like does this happen?

744
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:26.239
A lot, she's like it happens about every. Other day