Aug. 8, 2024

Tapes from the Darkside Presents: NIGHT TERRORS (full episode)

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NIGHT TERRORS

This is a FULL episode of our new monthly series. Created by the team at TAPES FROM THE DARKSIDE. The lead writer is Josh Lami from Obscura. Minor additions by TZ. Each episode is a self-contained one-off true crime story. All episodes are now streaming on Patreon — new episode posted each month.

In 2018, Jacqueline Ades went on a single date with a man she met on an online dating app. Over the next 10 months, she sent him over 159,000 text messages. Among these many colorful messages she included ones that described how she desired to make "sushi" out of his kidneys and "chopsticks" out of his finger bones.

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from the Dark Side without further ado. This is Night

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Terror number ten.

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Stalker, why did you text them sixty five thousand times?

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Because it made me find out all my information?

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Are you a crazy person?

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No?

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Tell us? Who are you like?

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I'm the person that discovered love.

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There's a quote that is often misattributed to ask Wild.

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It goes something like everything in the world is about sex,

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except sex. Sex is about power. Have you ever wondered

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how much sex the average American has?

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Well?

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In twenty twenty one, the Center for Researching and Understanding

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Sexual Health surveyed over six hundred people, and they found

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that seventy percent of adults are having sex at least

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once per month. And what is the most common way

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to meet people? In this day and age? For better

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or worse, we have surrendered much of our courtship to

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the digital realm. At least in the developed world, Three

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in ten US adults say they've used a dating app

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or website. The top place to find a date, according

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to survey respondents, was a dating app, followed then by

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a friend, and then further down a concert or a festival.

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Dating apps are here, and they appear to be here

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to stay, at least for the foreseeable future. The subject

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of today's story, Jacqueline, eighties, turned to dating apps to

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find a partner. Jacqueline didn't use one of the more

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popular dating apps Tender or Okay, Cupid or Bumble. She

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used a rather niche app, one called Luxy. Luxy brands

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itself as an elite and millionaire dating site. Join luxy

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dating for free and meet rich, successful and attractive millionaires

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in this upscale community. Jacqueline was clearly searching for an

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aristocrat type, but it appears she herself wasn't exactly destitute.

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She was thirty one years old, and although we don't

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know much about her personal life, she appears to be

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a fairly regular middle class person. She actually did score

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a one time date with a big wig ceo. In

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an interview after her arrest, Jacqueline refers to him as

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Isaac Ben Shabbat, CEO of a company called Secret, which

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appears to specialize in making skin cream. This particular case

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is tough to pin down exact details, because, as anyone

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who's ever seriously researched a news story will quickly find out,

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news science often get things wrong. We'll touch on that

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more in a bit. According to the public record and

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to Isaac, the two only went on one date. According

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to other sources they were much more familiar than that,

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But for now we'll stick with a public record, which

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essentially tells us that that one date was apparently all

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that Luxey was good for. By the end of it,

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two conclusions had been reached. Jacqueline had concluded that Isaac

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was indeed her soulmate, which is not something that anyone

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really wants to hear after a first date, but okay.

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According to a study done by Forbes Health, which pulled

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five thousand US respondents three and ten, found the best

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time to tell a partner that you love them was

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around four to six months, not exactly the one date

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benchmark that Jacqueline had chose. Isaac, on the other hand,

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had determined that their relationship had concluded, and he stated

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in no uncertain terms that he would not be seeing

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Jacqueline again. As it turns out, they were both wrong. Now,

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Isaac was decidedly not Jacqueline's soulmate, but Jacqueline was far

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from exiting Isaac's life. She would be back for her

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soulmate simply because, in her mind, fate demanded it. Here's

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where the events of our story gets a little bit foggy.

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It was initially stated by news outlets all over the

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US that Jacqueline had sent Isaac in excess of sixty

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five thousand text messages over ten months, which sounds absolutely

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insane because it is. But later news sites began reporting

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that it was more like one hundred and sixty thousand

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text messages over ten months, which is still insane. To

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break that down, that's something like five hundred text messages

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a day. To put that another way, it's about one

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text every three minutes, every single day for ten months.

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Is that number correct? Honestly, how can that number be correct?

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That's an unfathomable level of tenacity. But when you hear

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Jacqueline speak, which we will in a few moments, you

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begin to think maybe it's true. Jacqueline's reasoning for the

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excessive texting was that she loved Isaac. But as it happens,

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of the messages that we've seen, Jacqueline wasn't exactly filling

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Isaac's phone with sentiments of puppy love. Rather, they're full

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of threats, and not the normal I'm gonna slash your

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tires or something of that sort. What Jacqueline sent was

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some seriously frightening stuff. How much do you value your heart? Yes,

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you're beating heart. How much do you value your skin?

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I ask only because a few of Jacqueline's threats included

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the following one threatening to remove the skin from Isaac's

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fascia two to remove his fasia from his muscles, three

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to remove all his fat and vital organs. Four to

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remove his entire circulatory system. Five to wear his fascia,

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six to wear his skull like a hat, seven to

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wear his hands, eight to wear his feet, nine to

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cut out his heart, ten to bathe in his blood,

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eleven to turn his kidneys into sushi and use his

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finger bones as chopsticks in twelve to have him taxidermied.

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I think you get the point. These were not run

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of the mill threats. They were the ravings of someone

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who is deeply psychotic. You know you're dealing with a

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special kind of disturbed individual when their promises of bathing

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in your blood are the least bizarre of their desires. Stalkers, murderers,

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violent psychopaths. These aren't the only people who can have

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violent urges. Most people can understand, or at least comprehend,

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doing something that we might consider gruesome. By and large,

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we possess an ambition, and therefore don't act on these urges.

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Take time to think things through, consider the consequences, and

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come to our senses. But the capacity for brutality lives

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within each and every one of us. We can feign

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total bewilderment and violent news stories all we like, but

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some part of us can at least sometimes empathize with

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the allure of giving in to a violent outburst. There

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is hardly ever a positive outcome when we act on rage,

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but it is an emotion that most people can understand,

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and this is what makes jacqueline story so bewildering. It's

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not her desire to kill the subject of her unrequited love,

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or even her desire to kill him violently. That's a

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tale as old as time. Happens every day, barely remarkable

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given the sheer prevalence of unspeakable horror taking place at

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any given point in human history. The unique aspect of

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this case is jacqueline seemingly total lack of rage. She

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doesn't come across as angry, her demeanor almost gentle as

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she promises to commit unspeakable horrors. Her text messages make

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her seem almost giddy, following up murderous intentions with excessive

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uses of lol and emojis. Were befuddled even further by

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how she wanted to kill Isaac. It's the smallest details

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that elevate this story from simply macabre to downray shocking.

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The sheer anatomical competence of this woman promising to remove

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the skin from a fascia, promising to remove the entire

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circulatory system, Jeffrey Dahmer himself would have grinned in appreciation

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humor me for one moment, because the removal of someone's

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circulatory system is truly a standout. If you're familiar with

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human anatomy so much that it crosses the line from

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horrific to almost comical, Removing someone's entire circulatory system would

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not only be complicated, but nearly impossible. Your circulatory system

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is far more complex than something like the wires behind

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a an old fashioned television set. It's not even close

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to something like assembling and disassembling a computer. It's more

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complex than most of us are even capable of comprehending,

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containing capillaries, blood vessels, veins, and arteries. The average human

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has around ten billion capillaries in their body. That's billion.

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With a b.

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Intrusive thoughts, call of the void, imp of the perverse.

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These unwanted images and scenarios have several names, but much

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like rage, there's something of a universal human experience, and

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much like rage, if we're introspective and honest, enough, they're

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also something of a universal human experience. Equally universal is

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the innate knowledge that it's better to keep such thoughts

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to yourself or at least perhaps your close friends or

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your therapist, and if those thoughts become intense or frequent enough,

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it might be time to seek serious help. But such

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as the paradox of mental illness, those with the most

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severe mental illnesses are usually convinced that not only are

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they perfectly healthy, they have gained some kind of insight

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into themselves or the universe that has elevated them above

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the normal human being, and that to seek help is

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not only unnecessary, but it would rip them down from

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the clouds on which they currently rest to the realm

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of mortals. And when you hear Jacqueline speak as you

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will soon, it's hard not to wonder if this is

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the case with her. As details vary from one publication

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to the next, the exact timeline and full story of

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what happened between Jacqueline eighties and Isaac is foggy, to

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say the least. What we do know is that she

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was found in Isaac's apartment taking a bath when Isaac,

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who was out of the country at the time, saw

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her on a security footage and called the police. Upon arrival,

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police founders still in the bathtub, reportedly also discovering a

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large butcher knife in her car. The butcher knife aspect

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is one that she refuted, claiming instead that it was

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a pocket knife that she carried everywhere for protection. Nevertheless,

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you cannot bathe in stranger's bathtubs without the permission, and

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a person who you've been on one date with is

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essentially that a stranger. For this infraction, Jacqueline eighties was

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arrested for a criminal trespass and given a court date.

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She failed to appear, so a bench warrant was issued.

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She continued furthermore to contact and threaten Isaac, showing up

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again at his home, then later at his place of employment,

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claiming to be his wife. She was immediately escorted from

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the property and once again arrested, this time due to

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her prior failure to appear and having made comments via

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text about moving back to Florida to dodge the conviction.

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She was denied bail and sat in an Arizona jail

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for the better part of a year. The story became

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something of a national phenomenon when reporters were granted an

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interview with Jacqueline. It was this interview that truly paints

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the picture of how mentally unstable this woman was in

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coherent ramblings about numerology, particularly the number thirty three. But

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why sit here and describe it when we can listen

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for ourselves.

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Hi, guys, I'm Jackie. You want to ask me questions?

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All right?

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Go ahead, start from the beginning. How did you wind

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up here?

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I wound up here on a road trip from Florida

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looking for I guess love.

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And I was following the number thirty three. I used

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to wake up every day and every night at three

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thirty three. I was always three thirty three three three

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three three.

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So I kept.

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Following the number. And I said, why why am I

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following the number thirty three? And I spoke to psychic

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and she told me. She told me I have the

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same birth chart as Jesus. So then I said, okay,

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I look up Jesus. He was thirty three when he

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came to be. So I was like, that's a thirty three.

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My left eye axis is thirty three. The location I

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came from in Miami was thirty three one eleven. The

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zip code this zip code here now this ZiT the

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coordinates on the map, It's thirty three one eleven.

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Jacqueline, How did you come to meet the man who

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is related to your case?

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Oh, Isaac ben Schabba. I met him online. I was

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looking for my healing angel. The the psychic I meant

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told me I would meet a healing angel.

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So I I was in Utah Mount Zion looking for

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my healing angel, and I.

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Hm.

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I was at a bar and I was talking to

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the bartender about the number three, and I said, so

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the number three.

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I told him the story how I got here, just

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cause I got here the number three. And then he.

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Said not to say anything, but look behind me.

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And I looked behind him and there's the giant number three.

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So I was like, are you my healing angel? And

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he was like, no, I'm not.

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And then I said, okay, well, maybe you're gonna lead

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me to my healing angel. So he said, you should

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probably go to Sedona's in Arizona, and I said, I

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never heard of it, and I look up Sadona, Arizona.

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It's a thirty third most spiritual place. So I canceled

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my trip. I canceled my trip in Mount Zion and

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I decide to go to Arizona. I never been here, and.

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Isaac texted me and he says, have you ever been

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to Arizona?

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And I was like, this is really weird. I just

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decided to come here, and I said.

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I'm not gonna meet him. Almost God throws it in

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my face. So we start talking and I was like,

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I'm not gonna go there. Then he told me he

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has my same birthday.

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So I was like, Okay, I have.

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To go meet him cause I told God that's what

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I would do. So I go meet him and we

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have the same birthday. Our brothers are both named Jacob

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and David. Our fathers are both Egyptian Jews from Cairo.

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We're both vegetarians. Then I find out he does stuff

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for the Dead Sea. That dead Sea has thirty three

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percent salt in it.

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Walt Disney's club is called Club thirty three.

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The reason that are called this is because the location

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of Atlantis is inside the earth.

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The coordinates are thirty three thirty three. It's the soul

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of the earth.

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Do I think can I get you to respond to

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some of the charges against you?

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Oh?

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Did you break into his home?

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MM? I'd rather not talk about those things?

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What about the text messages?

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I rather not talk about those.

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You said you met him online? What site did you

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meet him on?

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Luxy?

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What kind of site is that?

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Oh? Like the most shallow one ever where the rich

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men meet the pretty girls?

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And what.

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You know?

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It's I I know you don't wanna talk about the texts,

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but in some of them you said some pretty crazy days.

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Would you wanna just respond to that part of it? Not?

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Right now?

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Why did you text him sixty five thousand times?

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Cause it made me find out all my information?

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Loving him selflessly brought this information because everybody just wants

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to take. But if you just give, and you don't

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stop giving, even if you don't receive, you all of

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a sudden receive a lot.

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Did he'd tell you to stop contacting him?

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Ah?

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I don't wanna talk about that.

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Did you listen to that?

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I don't wanna talk about that.

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You said you did you go on one date with him?

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Three?

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Three dates? Can you talk about how you felt when

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you were with him? Did you feel like spark immediately?

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Talk about how you felt.

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I felt like I met my soulmate and everything was

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just the way it.

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Was, and I thought we would just do what everybody

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else did, and we would just like get married and

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everything would be fine.

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But that's not what happened.

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Sixty five thousand text messages, that's.

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Like, that's the level. Stuff to me seemed like more,

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seemed like more than.

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Sixty five though.

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To me, Yeah, that's it's that kind of excessive. Love

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is an excessive thing.

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Can you understand why people think this is a little

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bit out there?

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Oh? Yeah?

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Can you? Are you a crazy person?

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No?

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Tell us, who are you like? What you like?

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I'm the person that discovered love. That equation to light.

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Einstein discovered the equation to light. It's E equals mc squared.

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To finish that equation, everything we see is made out

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of light. Everything and the composition of the light that

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it's made out of.

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Jackie, some of those messages don't sound like love. They

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sound like ruds.

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When you're finding love. Not everything is perfect. This was

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a journey, and I wanted to apologize because nobody would

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ever be more sorry.

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Would you ever really hurt him?

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Oh?

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Hm?

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I love him.

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So the rest of the equation is L equals three

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point three L equals three point three times E equals

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mc squared and that's that's the equation of eternal love.

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Would he love you?

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It means one boy thing plus one girl thing one.

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The boy is the light. The light makes the love

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work really hard. The love.

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We're as women's supposed to worship the men, and they're

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supposed to lead us in where we're supposed to go,

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but instead we all believe.

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In the number zero.

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The number of zero is a belief system that the

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Illuminati created to create the undertaking of all human kind.

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Shad w Why do you think it it was important

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to speak to.

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Us today.

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Cause they have to share?

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Hm share?

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What the message of love?

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What's your message of love?

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Everybody has to love each other.

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What do you want the vict if the victim's watching,

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and what do you want him to know? Right now?

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Victim? He's not a victim, okay?

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The person that that I love?

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Yes, what I want him to know that I love him?

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Are you gonna leave him alone? If he wants me too?

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Has he asked you to leave him alone?

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I don't wanna talk about those things.

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Why did you go to his business on Friday and

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tell everybody there that you.

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Were his wife? I don't wanna talk about them, Okay?

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Can we ask why you don't.

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Wanna talk about some you have negative energy. I'm sorry,

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what are.

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You feeling right now?

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When you hear those questions, they're being negative to me,

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and I feel like everybody should just be nice.

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Well, we are trying to understand where you're coming from.

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It's not negative, you know, So that's why we wanna

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try to understand.

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On the dollar bill, it says she prefers your undertaking

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a new world order in Latin on the one dollar bill, and.

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The pyramid.

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Represents slavery and the third eyes the imagination, So everybody

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is a jew essentially, that's what the imagination is. And

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the pyramid is how we were enslaved. So we've been

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enslaved by money, and we enslave each other. It's like

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a self perpetuating cycle of enslaving each other and taking

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from each other and being selfish.

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Teddy, So love makes you crazy?

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Thing?

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Now we've all heard that whatever make you capable of

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killing someone? No, do you think that some of these

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messages in your textbook during your text is negative energy?

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Mm? Oh yes, it's part of downloads of information.

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Alright. Some of the things you said homes I like

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begging him the energy. How you responded, I.

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I only wanna be nice. Why I only wanna be nice?

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I only wanna talk about nice things. If I said

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something bad, I apologize and I only wanna be nice.

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I want everybody else to be nice. I want all

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of you to be nice.

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I wanna be nice. Everybody in the jail should be nice.

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Nothing bad would ever happen to anybody if everybody's nice.

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So this journey of love that you were taking, I

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guess this is the last place that you imagined that

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you lives up.

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No. No, if Isaac wants me to go to jail,

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I should be in jail. That's hard. I appreciate it.

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How Why would you accept that?

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Then? Because I love him and he should know better.

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He's the light, I'm the love. He knows what to do.

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I follow the worse.

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If you were released today, would you leave him alone?

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Yeah?

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If you ask me to him, then he has asked

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you to Okay, where'd your journey gonna hid you?

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Now?

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Though I had I could go back home and spread

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the message there.

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Worry about something like this happened in a den?

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No? No worried.

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What have the last twenty four hours been.

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Like for un and the air good.

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I like everything, and everyone's isa nice to you.

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How do you know he's the meanest person I've ever met?

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And why do you like him?

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If he's done, we're soulmates. There's one boy and one girl.

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It's one boy thing, one girl thing, and it equals

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three point three instead of having the number zero, we're

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only supposed to count to three point three one two,

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three point three.

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Three point three is infinity.

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So if we counted from one boy thing to one

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girl thing, it would equal forever, like the universe in

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all the planets.

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Why do you say Isaac was mean?

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Oh cause he was. How I'm not gonna tell everybody

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about that. I'm not him, I'm the love I said,

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three days at his house?

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So you stayed with him for three days? Yeah, well

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there's three days like for you.

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Just he was being weird to me, and I let

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it be because I knew I should just let it be.

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How weird?

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Why do you want me to tell you yeah, weird

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things about him? Why?

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Because we wanna understand you.

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Well, he put a GPS on my car. I think

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he put something on my phone so I couldn't use it.

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Why do you think he would do that for you.

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Because he felt the same about me. So you longed

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to keep that connection that him. He wasn't used to

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somebody that would just like stay there because they want to.

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Did he ask you to leave when and when you

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were staying at his house?

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No, we just had a three day day and he

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left and I left.

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He told me I could stay at his villa in Mexico,

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but I didn't want to because I knew he would

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fill me on cameras and I didn't want to. So

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I thought maybe if I calmed him down over time,

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he would realize he doesn't have to stalk me.

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Mm.

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When did he start to not wanna talk to you anymore?

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Because he blocked you on WhatsApp? So you came to

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your zona and and then I'm just trying to understand

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what happened after that.

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I'm not sure. That's why I'm here.

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So you're not angry with him?

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No, Oh my god, No, I love him so much.

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I just wanna love him so much, I said, And

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if he doesn't like it, then I'll go home and

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I'll love my ex boyfriend. What am I starts to do?

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Has he blocked you on anything else? No?

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He lets me text him and he reads all of it.

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Where's home for you?

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Mm?

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Sure you said you wanna go?

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Does it Ridge? Oh? I call home Miami just cause

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that's where I came from.

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Would you go back to my am?

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I don't. I mean, I w if he told me

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to go to Miami, I would.

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If he doesn't, I mean, if he's not gonna say,

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if he whatever he wants me to do.

484
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Should he be afraid of you?

485
00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:52.799
No?

486
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.480
No? Did he ever warn you that he was gonna

487
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.880
call the police if you didn't stop texting? No?

488
00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:01.440
See any of this seem kind of weird?

489
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:06.440
That alls in unisys from us no douse. In a

490
00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:09.160
lot of people's eyes, they see this as weird.

491
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.079
That's because they're selfish and they've never actually loved someone

492
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:14.480
without getting anything back.

493
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:17.319
The point of love is to keep giving it. That's

494
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:18.400
the math equation.

495
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.079
It's love equals three point three, which is infinity times

496
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.839
equalsms he squared, which is light. Light is forever l

497
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:28.720
equals three. L If loved was a number, it would

498
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.559
be three. So it's infinity times light, which is also infinity.

499
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:34.559
So it's just forward, forever forward. And if you're selfish,

500
00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:37.440
you can't understand that because you want something in return,

501
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:39.880
He's not giving me anything in return, And.

502
00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:41.880
I still love him anyway. That's what love is, That's

503
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:43.319
what the universe is supposed to be made of.

504
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:48.839
When's the last time you talked to him?

505
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:54.279
He sent me a text on a fake number before

506
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:55.119
I went to his work.

507
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:59.480
How do you feel about the fact that he got

508
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:00.440
your rest.

509
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:03.960
I think it's a good idea. I think it was

510
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:05.559
a good idea. If he thought it was a good idea,

511
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:06.720
that means it's a good idea.

512
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:08.079
Do you think you're a danger?

513
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:09.359
No?

514
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:11.799
No, I wanted I think he wanted to make sure

515
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:13.079
I wasn't or something like that.

516
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:13.519
I don't know.

517
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:15.920
I mean, and you know if you carried a knife

518
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.000
with you?

519
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:17.359
Why not?

520
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:17.839
Yeah?

521
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:19.920
Police report states that you had a butcher knife?

522
00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:23.680
What cause I never had a butcher knife? I had

523
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:26.039
I had like little flippy knives on my way on

524
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:27.839
my road trip. People try to hurt me. I'm a

525
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.119
single girl. I drove across America. I don't carry a

526
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:32.400
butcher knife.

527
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:33.119
No.

528
00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:35.440
How do you know if he's the one that texted

529
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:36.599
you on the fake number?

530
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:40.880
Just like I know he's the one that set you

531
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:41.480
guys up here.

532
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.160
What did he say in that text message?

533
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:51.480
He said, Nolly, are you this is Carol? Are you

534
00:27:51.519 --> 00:27:55.079
coming to finish your prayer? And I was like, please,

535
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.319
don't tell me that this is you sending me fake

536
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.319
text messages because you want me to come over so

537
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:02.759
you can go to police on me again.

538
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:05.359
But I did it. I went there because I knew

539
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:05.759
it was him.

540
00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:08.559
He said he was looking for a doctor and a prayer,

541
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:10.480
and I said, nobody else would say that to me

542
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.200
but him.

543
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:19.519
So all thank you appreciated.

544
00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.559
Up to this point, this particular episode has been something

545
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.599
of an exercise in dark humor. And while this interview

546
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.759
with Jacqueline may initially seem a bit funny for its

547
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.400
kookiness or how completely off the brails her ranting goes,

548
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.960
after a minute or two, all semblances of humor seem

549
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.160
to be completely sucked out of it. This is what

550
00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:43.720
couldn't even be called an interview by any consurable human being.

551
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.640
What this is is an exploit. Doctor Phil himself would

552
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.359
surely shiver in excitement at the prospect of having this

553
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.559
woman on a show. All violent and appalling threats aside,

554
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.839
this interaction makes clear that prison is not the answer.

555
00:29:00.680 --> 00:29:03.720
Jacquelindes more than anyone I've ever seen, or at least

556
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:09.400
equally so, needs professional help and medication. As we reference before,

557
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.920
you can hear in the interview that she's not someone

558
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.319
who's full of rage, quite the opposite. She seems to

559
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.400
have something of an authentic and sweet demeanor, though the

560
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.279
fact that she refuses to discuss the death threats in

561
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.680
any way, shape or form suggests that she's somewhat aware,

562
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.960
at least deep down inside. How not okay, she is

563
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:35.839
still her manner of speech in the numerous conspiracy theories

564
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:40.200
she spouts that would impress even Alex Jones indicate that

565
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:44.119
something is seriously awry in her brain. As I've said

566
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.680
many times, we hear it tapes from the dark Side

567
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:51.880
are not doctors or psychologists, but schizophrenia or bipolar disorder

568
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.640
seems almost certain. This episode of Jacquelin eight's descent into

569
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.960
madness started with a perfectly reasonable and respectable goes. She

570
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:05.119
was looking for love, aren't we all? And even after

571
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:07.920
we found some, wouldn't we like to find a little more?

572
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:13.200
With very few exceptions, people want to be loved. So

573
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:17.799
while Jacqueline's decidedly excessive reaction to losing someone she believed

574
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:20.279
was the love of her life is easy to laugh

575
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:25.440
at or dismiss aspathetic, It's not an alien concept. This

576
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.079
is not to say, or even lightly imply that what

577
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:31.559
she did wasn't, for lack of a better word, psychotic.

578
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:36.960
Her behavior was simply unacceptable. But we should remind ourselves

579
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.119
that just about every one of us has been in

580
00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:43.559
a situation where partner or potential partner was making us crazy.

581
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.279
Any love worth having, any love worth giving, begets something

582
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.640
called passion, and sometimes the line between strong passion and

583
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:56.920
full blown crazy is razor thin. In the end, Jacqueline

584
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:00.640
was found incompetent to stand trial, the charges were dismissed.

585
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.559
She was moved to a mental hospital, where she spent

586
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.759
some time before being released, and then moved back to

587
00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:10.480
Florida to live with her family. There are some reports

588
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.720
that Jacqueline has since died, but the only real evidence

589
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.759
of this is on an entry at grave dot com

590
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.079
created by a user who has dozens upon dozens of

591
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:24.559
other Gravesite profiles. There's no public obituary, and so her

592
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:29.920
current status remains ambiguous. Also worth noting not because it

593
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.400
holds a shred of validity, But because most of the

594
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.599
things in the story are based on he said, she

595
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:39.839
said hearsay is the fact that many people on online

596
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.680
forums seem convinced that Jacqueline and Isaac were much more

597
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:47.680
familiar with each other than Isaac claimed. Jacqueline herself stated

598
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.720
it was three dates they went on, not one, but

599
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.319
many people online stated that Isaac was playing some kind

600
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:59.119
of cruel mind game with Jacqueline, which doesn't seem totally outlandish,

601
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.200
but should be taken in with a full grain of salt,

602
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.279
perhaps many grains of salt. The tragic truth behind this

603
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:09.279
story and many such that we cover, is that we'll

604
00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:14.279
never know exactly why what happened between Jacqueline and Isaac happened.

605
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:18.720
The only certainty is that desperation and mental illness were

606
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:23.519
hard at work on Jacquelindy's mind. There are two lessons

607
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.680
we can learn here. One is that please, for your

608
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.960
own sake and the safety of everyone around you, listen

609
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.839
to your doctor when they tell you your mental illness

610
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:36.400
needs to be treated with medication, and do not discontinue

611
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:41.279
said medication without medical supervision. And the second lesson be

612
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:45.720
careful in online dating and for that matter, any dating.

613
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.920
Jacquelin Edes seems for all intents and purposes, to have

614
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.319
been a stranger to Isaac, and while strangers certainly make

615
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:56.920
the top of the short list. As far as our

616
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.920
fears about the combination of to miscy and violence, we

617
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.160
know statistically we're much more likely to be killed, her

618
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:11.480
or abused by someone we know closely, a family member,

619
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:16.119
a partner, a close friend. If someone treats you in

620
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.720
a way that you don't like, it's okay to speak up.

621
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:24.079
It's okay to leave a relationship that is turned sour.

622
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:28.680
Oftentimes this is much easier said than done, but there

623
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:33.960
are resources out there, there are support networks available, and

624
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.079
if you ever need someone to just talk with, we're

625
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.880
here at the Dark Side for you. Tapes from the

626
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:43.599
Dark Syde Pod at gmail dot com, at the Darkseyde

627
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Pod on Instagram. Thank you for listening today. The script

628
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:54.440
was written by Josh Lammy and music by Augusta Trevororum.

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