S9, Chapter 6: Requiem for a Son

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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions
of violence and sexuality. Listener discretion is

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advised. I think everyone has a
bit of a fascination of the dark Side.

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I think it's something that he could
leave longspns. The look in his

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eyes was absolute horror, horror like
he'd seen the devil and he had he

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was whipped the devil. Hi that
Josh Clancy from the Sunday Times of London.

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You spoke about cardier pulmonary arrest.
What kind of things might cause cardier

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pulmonary arrest? I mean, because
it sounds to me like, you know,

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physical abuse might be something that could
bring that on. Could you said

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a little more about that. We
have we have no certain or verifiable information

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about what happened to Otto prior to
his departure from North Korea, but in

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general terms, one of the more
likely causes of a cardio pulmonary arrest and

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a young person would have been a
respiratory arrest. Hi, Miguel Marcus from

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CNN on on your MRI and scans
that you did of mister Warmbier, did

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there was there any indication of trauma
to any part of them? Were there

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any fractures any anything in the head
or parts of other parts of the body.

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And would you know if he were
in a coma for quite some time,

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if he had suffered a heart attack
or something that would cut off blood

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supplies of the brain, would you
be able to tell at this point that

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he suffered botulism, took a sleeping
pill, had some other cause, allergic

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reaction, or some sort of reaction
to something he took. There, well,

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there are several questions put together there. I'm gonna doctor for mental answer

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addressed the boutulism question. Let me
let me address the question of injuries.

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Among the battery of tests we performed, we examined all the long bones of

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the body, a skeletal survey.
We've looked at the bony structures of the

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ribs, the pelvis, the skull, and he's had CT scans of the

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chest, abdomen, and pelvis.
In those scans, we see no evidence

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of an acute or healing fracture,
including the skull. The batulism question,

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yea, as it relates to bachulish. As you know, it's a toxin

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that causes nerve injury, and so
as part of his evaluation with us,

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we performed electromography and nerve conduction studies. Those tests did not reveal any evidence

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of active or chronic innervation, nor
any repetitive stimulation that would suggest active batulism.

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At this time, can you talk
about how long a patient in this

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kind of condition might be expected to
go on? At the request to the

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family, they wish us to keep
those discussions private and confidential, so we

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will refrain from speculating about what might
happen in the future to him. What's

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the likelihood or the plausibility of the
story put forward by the North Koreans that

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bought plus a sleeping pill led to
this result. Have there been cases similar

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to this where that particular combination,
It seems very rare in a sort of

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random I just wanted to get your
professional opinion about the plausibility of that explanation

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from the North Koreans. It would
it would be really hard to speculate on

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anything related to his condition or treatment
prior to his departure from North Korea at

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this time. It would be very
difficult for us to say we have limited

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information. I just wanted to clarify
at Doctor Foreman, you say you didn't

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find any evidence whatsoever of botulism at
all. That's correct. Yeah, sorry,

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Lindsay Jannis, ABC News. You
said something about about a respiratory arrest.

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What would trigger that. There are
many causes of respiratory arrest. They

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can stem from intoxication to trauma.
There can be other causes in a young

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person, but in general, respiratory
arrest and a young, otherwise healthy person,

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it's a rare event and generally caused
by something like an intoxication or traumatic

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injury. For any three of you
that what Auto has suffered in his brain

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is this? Are we talking ir
reversible damage? Can he recover from this?

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What is his brain going through or
will it go through long term?

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Well? As as I delineated,
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brain. But because of the family
sensitivity, we are going to reframe him

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discussing what that holds, the future
holds for him, given his condition.

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Can you tell if he's been given
good care for the last year plus since

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he's been in this condition. We
still, of course don't know for sure

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what transpire before he arrived. We
can describe his condition upon arrival. His

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skin was in good condition and he
was well nourished when he arrived at our

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facility. How does it work?
I'm sorry, Miguel from se how does

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it work? So if one suffers
that sort of event where the blood stops

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flowing through the brain, is the
damage done all at once? Or what

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was that evolution of change that you
saw from March March to July and then

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presently what we have. Did it
get progressively worse or was this all the

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damage done in one The evolving changes
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Tissue evolution, not new damage.
So as the tissue is initially damaged,

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the body tries to remove the damage
tissue. So those are the kind

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of changes we're seeing. Is the
removal of the damage tissue by the bodies

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own internal housecaping mechanisms. But the
damage to the brain from a cardiopummee rast

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occurs within minutes of inadequate blood flow
and want to come out. Okay.

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We do see respiratory arrest from an
overdose for medication overdose intentional and otherwise it

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would be inappropriate for me to speculate
about the intent or whether this was a

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misadministration of a medication. Again,
we have very limited information about what happened

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to Otto prior to his departure from
North Korea. Two quick questions here.

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One, mister Warrenbier and his press
conference today criticized the North Korean regime about

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withholding top notch medical care from their
son. I just wanted to get your

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opinions about whether in this ordeal you
think he has had access to top notch

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medical care. And then the second
question, the term you mentioned unresponsive unresponsive

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wakefulness, that he does have some
eye movement from time to time, can

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you tell if there is any recognition
on his part about his surroundings. I

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can take both of those. So
in terms of his medical care and North

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Korea, we have absolutely no information
about the care that you received there,

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so it would there's no way I
can speculate on his care there. What

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I can tell you is is here
we've we've really taken a lot of effort

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to make sure we've addressed any problems
that he may be having, including his

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comfort, including symptoms related to the
extensiveness of his brain injury. With regard

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to the state of a responsive wakefulness
that he is currently in the way that

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we evaluate him to be able to
determine that is based on a lack of

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consistent and persistent responses to stimulation within
his environment. So as we attempt to

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interact with him, give him verbal
direction or verbal cues, he has no

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consistent responses to those. In our
evaluation based on standard comer recovery scales,

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scores, and those sorts of things, in addition to our imaging and electro

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diagnostics, we don't feel at this
time that he has any conscious awareness that

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he is in this persistent excuse me, in this unresponsive wakefulness state and Thompson

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w VXU here in Cincinnati. So
of course, the speculation was that he

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was badly beaten. So what if
any evidence did you see on the MRI

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of any injuries trauma like that the
MRI. As I said previously, the

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type and pattern of damage we see
on the MRI is normal. Is not

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the type we normally see with traumatic
brain injury. It's the type we normally

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see with cardiopulmonary arrest. We're going
to take two more questions and then we

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will conclude. Are there more tests
that you've had them here for about forty

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hours, is there more that can
be learned over time? Or have you

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guys essentially done the battery of tests, and essentially this is what we know

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and as far as we will get
and have to wait. Yeah, you

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know, we wanted to perform a
complete evaluation for his current state, and

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so that's those tests have been done. At this time, I think we

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have a fairly complete view of his
current state. Further tests down the line,

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you know, at this point are
going to rely on on decision making

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on prognostic discussions with the family,
which, as we've said, are private

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at the st so Cheryl Stolberg of
the New York Times. Again, American

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intelligence officials have said that he was
singled out for particularly brutal beatings, and

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so I'm wondering did he show any
body scars or is it your opinion that

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he was not beaten. As I
said, there were no fractures of the

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bones that we can detect, and
there were minor blemishes on his skin that

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are thought to be consistent with medical
care and intravenous lines. We did not

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see any skin indications that are strongly
suggestive of mistreatment. But that was but

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beyond that, we cannot speculate on
what might have occurred in the past.

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Thank you. We value our media
partners to share the story accurately. Thank

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you, doctor cantor doctor Bottom.
How has it been explained to you what

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North Korea did? When you say
torture, what did they do? Do

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you know? We know North Korea
doesn't even acknowledge that they considered it a

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humanitarian gesture sending Auto home. His
teeth looked like they had been rearranged with

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a pair of pliers. You can
only look at the evidence. A perfectly

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healthy young American visiting there. An
innocent young American comes home with severe brain

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damage. But it's not like it
happened and they shipped him home immediately.

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It's a year later. These people
are terrorists. Kim and his regime intentionally

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injured Otto. So how do we
explain this discrepancy. One of the only

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things that I've been able to come
up with is that perhaps the shock upon

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seeing Auto in his kind of half
coma that he was in caused some kind

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of break from reality for all his
parents. Maybe his teeth had shifted a

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little bit over the year that he
was kept in North Korea, but perhaps

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everything appeared exaggerated to that at the
time. I know that when I've gone

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through a particularly traumatic event, my
memory can play tricks on me of a

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hard time remembering details, and sometimes
things I think I remember are completely wrong.

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This is all to say that I
don't place any blame on Otto's parents

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for really anything in this situation.
Can't imagine the tragedy they were going through,

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and they were about to face one
of the most difficult decisions that they

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had ever had to face. On
June nineteenth, twenty seventeen, six days

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after he had been released, Otto's
parents made the heartbreaking decision to request that

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is feeding to be removed. Ottawarren
Beier died at two twenty pm June nineteen,

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twenty seventeen, at the age of
twenty two. I just wanted to

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pass onward at Otto Warmbier has just
passed away. He spent a year and

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a half in North Korea. A
lot of bad things happened, but at

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least we got him home to be
with his parents where they were so happy

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to see him, even though he
was in very tough condition. But he

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just passed away a little while ago. It's a brutal regime and we'll be

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able to handle it. I raised
Otto different than I was raised. I

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have a lot of fear and tentativeness
about what I should do, and I

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wanted Otto to be empowered, to
not be afraid to grab onto everything he

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could in the world and live a
really full life. I had no idea

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when he took the tour to North
Korea. What he was walking into North

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Korea to me, is a cancer
on the earth. And if we ignore

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this cancer, it's not going to
go away. It's going to kill all

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of us. We don't even know
we have this cancer. So that's why

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I talk. Otto was all about
love and goodness. He had a job,

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his dream job on Wall Street as
soon as he graduated. He got

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that his junior year. He always
saw the best in people. If I

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ever was critical, he would call
me on it. And he just always

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saw the best in people. So
I know when they took AUTO that he

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thought he'd be released because he knew
he didn't do anything. When he thought,

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if I play by their rules,
they're gonna let me go. And

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I know he was sorry he ever
went into that god forsaken place. But

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unless we keep the pressure on North
Korea, they are not going to change.

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And I am very afraid that we're
going to let up on this pressure.

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So I need everyone here, to
keep the pressure on everybody you can.

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I'm going to tell you what it
was like when I saw Otto when

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he got off the plane. Well, no, I went on the plane.

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My gorgeous boy through every girl had
an immediate crush on look like a

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monster. I swear the look in
his eyes, which I didn't know he

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was blind at the time, was
absolute horror. Horror like he'd seen the

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devil and he had he was with
the devil. Okay, enough negativity.

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I have to write down positive things
so I stay positive. First of all,

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I have so much gratitude to meet
all the Japanese dignitaries, family members

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who have so much restraint and honor. I'm sorry I can't exhibit the same

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restraint, but I know they've forgive
me. Then I want to thank the

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American government. They brought Otto home. You can see the Japanese are desperately

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trying to do the same. We
have to bring our family members home.

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We have to come together on this
issue. This should not be a partisan

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issue. This is a problem.
This is not only a nuclear problem.

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This is a problem that we're dealing
with absolute evil. We can ignore it

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like I would have had this not
happened to me, but I can't guarantee

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that something bad's not going to happen
if we leave things alone. At the

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request of Auto's parents, an autopsy
was not performed. This is frustrating,

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but it's understandable, as an autopsy
didn't necessarily guarantee that the family would learn

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anything more, and I could understand
wanting to keep Auto's body, even in

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death, intact out of respect for
the dead. Though it's impossible for me,

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as someone personally invested in this story, to not wonder if maybe there

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was something that could have been gained
through an autopsy. Help me understand,

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because looking at the doctors, they
said, you know, it suffered extensive

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loss of brain tissue consistent with cardiopulmonary
arrest, was in a stative unresponsive wakefulness.

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Didn't know what causes brain damage,
they say. He didn't show any

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obvious indications of trauma or evidence of
either acute or healing fractures. Why opt

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out of an autopsy, That's a
really good question. Absolutely, yeah,

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Otto and our family have been through
enough enough. We were Otto was abandoned

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by his family, his country,
and the rest of the world. He

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was kidnapped in North Korea. He
was isolated from his family and the world.

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He was paraded in front of their
popular Our family and Otto were humiliated

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by the North Koreans and if Ultimately, when Kim aid the decision, Otto

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was tortured and essentially murdered. Enough
enough Auto Auto needs to be at Otto

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is at peace, and it's about
time. Yeah, I wasn't going to

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let him out of my sight and
I didn't. And she did a visual.

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Our coroner did a visual. And
then she's the one that brought up

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that huge scar on his foot.
What happened to his foot? We don't

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know, You have no idea.
It covered the entire top of his foot.

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How do you get a scar that
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It looked like she said, it
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months and months and months. What
is the US government said to you?

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We don't, we don't. We
don't engage with them at this level.

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And it's not that we can't.
We don't need to ask them what a

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condition or what happened to Otto in
general? In general, I mean,

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obviously you want the designation, What
kind of what, any of any information

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has the government given to you?
None, none, in fact, in

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fact, we don't need it right
and we're not here to badmouth the Obama

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administration, the State Department, any
of them. This is solely the responsibility

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of the Kim regime, Kim and
his regime, and nobody should go there

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ever. Nobody needs to go there. It was legal. He went with

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the tour group. Nobody needs to
go there. You know, the Wall

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Street Journal just went there. They
show you what they want you to see.

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So why are we playing into this? Why do we play into this

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at all anymore? I mean,
I don't want to see anyone else hurt

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or taken. That's also why you're
speaking out. Oh yeah. Otto was

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laid to rest on June twenty second. His funeral was at the Wyoming High

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School in Ohio. More than twenty
five hundred people attended. He's buried at

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Oak Hill Cemetery in Glendale. As
you prepared to leave while in high school,

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it feels like they goodbye to a
close friend. They're the prophetic words

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of the late Otto warm Beer saying
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But there's also a different kind of
goodbye. A feelwell was something larger than

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just a friend. Just four years
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would be his family and friends who
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like full of eternal optimism and hope. I think he is a gift to

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all of us. He was a
one of a kind that he inspired us,

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all mourners paying their respects to the
twenty two year old whose promise seemed

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limitless. On display at the funeral, the quiet testimonies of Otto's belongings,

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shoes, his wallet, his passport, relics of a journey that began with

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hope and ended in horror. It's
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Thousands in attendance, all all trying
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American tourist who for seventeen months was
detained in North Korea. And as America

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mourns Otto's death, I wish there
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the good old days before you've actually
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his friends remember his bright spirit.
He said, we'll always have each

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other talking about our class. And
I think now more than ever, that's

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Billy Billy showing to be true.
And Otto would want that, and we'll

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have to be rerun, the memories
we've created to be played over and over

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again. Thank you for Nightline.
I'm Bob Woodruth in New York. Before

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Otto's body was even in the ground, the conversation online took an unexpectedly toxic

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turn coming up after the break.
Otto Warmbier's parents are ultimately to blame for

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him growing up thinking he can get
away with whatever he wanted. Maybe in

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the US, we're young, rich, white, clueless males routinely get away

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with raping women, but not so
much in North Korea. And remember,

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I debated even putting this in the
episode, but I think it's part

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of this story, and I think
there is something to learn here about how

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we talk about true crime cases and
about how we treat victims families. Comedian

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Larry Wilmore joked about the Auto Warmber
situation in twenty sixteen now Tonight stories about

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the North Korean government, which recently
captured one of America's most annoying exports of

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frat bro Otto Frederick Warmber is a
University of Virginia student now being detained by

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North Korea. Hold on one second, can I hear that name again?

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Otto, Frederick Warmbier, Otto fred
Rick Warmbier, did this gig get arrested

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in North kree and then just gave
the cop this fake ID. Yes,

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sir, we've got American student Otto
warmber This was before Otto was sentenced to

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fifteen years of hard labor, and
it's a year before he was returned and

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a full year before he died.
Larry made a statement in twenty seventeen where

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he said, quote, I just
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and directly that, especially in light
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my sincere condolences the Warrembeer family.
They lost a kid. I would never

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try to defend doing a comedy show
against the loss of a child, and

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Fred and Cindy Warrenbeer. I want
to humbly apologize. At the end of

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the day, I could care less
about a stupid comedy show. But there

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is someone else important to the story
that never apologized, and that's a professor

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at the University of Delaware named Katherine
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before his body was even in the
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profile and wrote a post quote,
is it wrong of me to think that

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Otto Warmbier got exactly what he deserved? He went to North Korea for fuck's

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sake, and then acted like a
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who's never had to face the consequences
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at his sentence and hearing and think, what did you expect? How about

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a few moments of thought given to
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are suffering under the repressive government there. Just because they are North Koreans and

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not US citizens, we shouldn't care
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coverage on Autowarmbier shows that we can
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and also show sympathy for the North
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college professor, it's clear that she
didn't do her homework. She apparently missed

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the part where Otto was one of
the smartest in his class. By all

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accounts, was kindhearted, hardworking,
and humble. Katherine Dettwiler also took to

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the comments section of a National Review
article on Autowarmbier, where she wrote,

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quote, this is typical mindset of
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clueless males who come into my classes. These are the same kids who

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cry about their grades because they didn't
think they'd really have to read and study

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the material to get a good grade. She also says that quote Ottowarmbier's parents

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are ultimately to blame for him growing
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he wanted. Maybe in the US, where young, rich, white,

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clueless males routinely get away with raping
women, but not so much in North

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Korea. One thing I would ask
you to try to check yourself when you're

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engaging with true crime online. The
families of the victims are human beings.

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They read social media, they see
what you post, they read your comments,

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and your words have very real consequences, and in Katherine Detwiler's case,

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the consequences were swift. She was
fired by the University of Delaware for comments,

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and the university issued a public apology. I found Katherine Debtwiler's Facebook account,

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and I've reached out and privately messaged
her to extend a chance to apologize

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for these insensitive and mean spirited comments
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When I decide to cover a case
like Auto Warm Beers, even when I'm

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writing and recording the story, I
never really stop researching and in telling this

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story. One thing I think that
people online commenting miss, or maybe take

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for granted. The grainy footage that
we got from the security camera on the

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second floor, not the fifth floor, is of such low resolution that it's

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impossible to tell if it is Auto. There's a screen grab that appears in

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a video by Global News dot CoA
that appears to show Auto's face in that

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hallway, but it's just one still
image. The figure we see at the

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end of the hallway messing with the
sign is only vaguely similar to the screen

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grab we see featuring what appears to
be Auto. North Korea is a country

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where lies and deception rule today,
and with Auto Warmber gone in US,

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unable to trust anything. The North
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that we may never know exactly what
happened on the night of January one,

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twenty sixteen. Under the video that
purported to show Auto warm Beer stealing the

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sign, one of the comments reads, we should have sentences like that.

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Here in the USA, fifteen years
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If you believe that, I would
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and also consider moving to North Korea
if that's the kind of society you want

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to live in, where you'd go
to a concentration camp because someone accused you

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of touching a sign. On a
more positive note, Otto Warmbier's family was

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invited to attend the State of the
Union speech. Undoubtedly there were politics at

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play given the setting, that's obvious, but in a country torn by partisan

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politics, I believe this was a
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They were verbally recognized by Donald Trump
and received a thirty nine second standing

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ovation. Wonderful parents, Fred and
Cindy Warmbier are here with us tonight,

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along with Otto's brother and sister,
Austin and Greta. Please camera cuts to

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a medium close up on Fred and
Cindy's faces as they stand, Tears streamed

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down both of their faces. Otto's
parents were initially critical of the Obama administration's

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handling of their son's imprisonment in North
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Otto was returned They looked to Donald
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at least as someone who did what
the former president couldn't or wouldn't. He

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brought their son home. But Trump
later flip flopped on his strong stance against

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Kim Jong ou, and in twenty
nineteen he made statements that are in opposition

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who his previous stance. He said
that he didn't believe that Kim Jongoon would

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have allowed Auto to be tortured,
and he said he would take Kim Jongoon's

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word that he had nothing to do
with Auto's death. You have a personal

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relationship, and I believe Vice President
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I'm wondering you've talked about this week's
about Kim Jong oun being my friend.

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You called him on Twitter, he
said, you have a great relationship.

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Have you in Singapore? Were here
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I have asked him to take responsibility. What do you say to you and

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why do you call him your friend? I have and I have and I

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have talked about it, and I
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at all. I know the Warmbier
family very well. I think they're an

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incredible family. What happened is horrible. I really believe something very bad happened

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to him, and I don't think
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And when they had to send him
home, by the way, I got

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the prisoners back, I got the
hostages back. I don't believe that he

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would have allowed that to happen.
Just wasn't to his advantage to allow that

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to happen. Those prisons are rough, they're rough places, and bad things

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happened. But I really don't believe
that he was he I don't believe he

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knew about it. Did he say
did he tell you that? He did

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not tell He felt badly about it, and did speak to him. He

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felt very badly, but he knew
the case very well. But he knew

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it later. And you know,
you got a lot of people at Big

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Country, a lot of people,
and in those prisons and those camps,

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you have a lot of people,
and some really bad things happened to otto,

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some really really bad things. Why
are you But he tells me,

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he tells me that he didn't know
about it, and I will take him

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at his word, And yes,
ma'am, go ahead, aaron's of an

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American college student who died after being
held in a North Korean prison, spoke

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out today after hearing President Trump say
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their son's mistreatment. Otto Warm's parents
have expressed their appreciation of the President in

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the past, but that seems to
have changed. Here's Eeril Barnett. Fred

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and Cindy Wombia said today they could
no longer remain silent. The parents of

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Ottowambia release this statement blaming North Korean
dictator Kim Jong un and his regime of

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unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity for the death
of their son. Today, in a

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tweet, the President attempted to clarify
those remarks. I never liked being misinterpreted,

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but especially when it comes to Ottowambia
and his great family, he wrote,

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of course, I hold North Korea
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Fred and Cindy released a statement in
response to Trump's words, quote, we

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have been respectful during this summit process, but now we must speak out.

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Kim and his evil regime are responsible
for the death of our son Otto.

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Kim and his evil regime are responsible
for unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity. No excuses

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or lavish praise can change that Fred
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granted it was in the United States, and that court decided that they were

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owed by the country five hundred and
one million dollars in damages for the torture

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and death of Auto. The last
piece of news from this story is a

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detail that would make any conspiracy theorists
giddy. And this is another fact I

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debated putting into the episode, but
it is a fact, and I think

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that I owe it to you all
to report on it. In two and

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twenty two, two hundred and forty
thousand dollars was seized from a North Korean

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bank account. The money was taken
because it was ruled it could potentially be

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used to fund a terrorist operation.
The exact amount, two hundred and forty

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thousand, three hundred and forty dollars
was paid out to Fred and Cindy,

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which iff you will recall in Auto's
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almost certain scripted by North Korea and
therefore false. He says that if he

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were captured by the North Korean government, the friendship United Methodist Church would guarantee

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the payments to his parents of the
amount of two hundred thousand dollars. The

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fact that these two numbers are so
similar appears to be coincidence. So she

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offered me a used car worth ten
thousand dollars if I was successful, and

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she said if I was detained and
not returned, her church would make payment

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to my mother of two hundred thousand
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This is the amount that I am
expected to pay for my brother and

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sisters university tuition out of the four
hundred thousand dollars total. Then she showed

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me the Friendship United Methodist Church's official
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Well. At first, due to
fear, I was hesitant, but

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since my family suffers from severe financial
difficulties, I started to consider this as

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my only golden opportunity to earn money. Most importantly, Sharon said to never

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mention the Friendship United Methodist Church or
no payos would God so only October two

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thousand and fifteen, I'm tz Borden. Thank you for joining me in this

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closely followed by season three. Some
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of episodes, but some of them
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I want to continue making long form, in depth true crime content. If

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I wasn't here telling these stories to
you, I would be reading a Wikipedia

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article about some obscure true crime case
right now. So I want to thank

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you for going on this journey with
me. Please keep sharing the show with

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your friends. We're growing. We're
almost at two hundred people on Patreon.

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I jumped the gun a little bit
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The only problem is it doesn't quite
pay enough to be a full time

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job. But I believe in the
show and I'm in it for the long

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haul. I don't care if we
have to run on fumes for a while.

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That's okay with me. So if
you have a dollar or two to

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spare, it's time for me to
epeg. We make a little bit of

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money from ads, but the majority
of our funding comes from our donors on

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Patreon and of course Apple Plus.
One day maybe we'll have our own app

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or something, but we just got
t shirts, so one thing at a

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time. Speaking of our merch store
will be opening soon in October. I've

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decided to do occasional openings of our
merch store based on what people seem to

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enjoy in putting out new designs.
Of course, Patreon members get thirty percent

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off, and we do have a
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This is the first time I'm announcing
it. It's called Night Terrors.

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I want to put out one episode
a month. I cannot promise that right

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now, but that's my goal,
and those will be one off true crime

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stories, one episode long with minimal
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So if you're on Patreon or if
you're curious about what that's going to be

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like, signup so you're the first
to hear it. This is the last

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time I'll say it, and then
I'll get to the rest of the credits.

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Patreon dot com slash tapes from the
dark Side, our newest five dollars

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Patreon members are Lindsay Beam, Katina
Stanley Brown, Aubrey, Justine g Chaplow,

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Samantha Casey Celest from The Unethical Podcast, Michelle Hatfield, and Danny Young.

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We also had a new yearly member
which you saved two months if you

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sign up for a year Brett Handsbury. Our newest nine dollars dark star is

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Casey Stanley, and our new fifteen
dollar tier producer is Ile Catalan. If

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I mispronounced your name, please let
me know at Tapes from the Dark Side

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Pod at gmail dot com. Thank
you to all of our fifteen dollars tier

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producers who we announce each episode,
Christy Reese, Tyler Ernster, Violet Ross,

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Greg b Angela mf Santana Savine,
Alexis, Kathleen, Vanessa Miller,

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Sherry Sly, Noah Schultz, Shelley
Jones, Olivia Schmid, Amber Catlett,

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Chris Schaumberg, and Gina Oibunko.
Our lead writer the season was Carrissa College.

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She's available for freelance work at Carrissa
dot College at gmail dot com.

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Our main theme was adapted from music
by twenty six hundred. Additional music provided

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by Augusta Trevororum and Emmanuel Witzoon.
You can find all the links to the

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music in the show in the show
notes, as well as links to all

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of the articles and video clips that
we featured. Thank you again for listening,

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and remember, until next time,
try to enjoy the daylight. But

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this man came over. Man came
from