S6, Chapter 2: House of Pain

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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions
of violence and sexuality. Listener discretion is

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advised. Doctor Pickham was curious how
long it had been since Lacy had actually

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seen a doctor. He was the
one who tracked down doctor Donald Hope,

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who said he last saw Lacy for
treatment in two thousand and two. Lacy

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would have been just seventeen years old. He says he did talk to Clay

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and Sheilaw on the phone in twenty
ten, Lacy would have been twenty five,

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and doctor Hope recalls the conversation revolving
around Lacy's autism diagnosis. He says

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her parents had a tough time accepting
that Lacy had special needs. Lacy reportedly

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was refusing to leave the house,
even to see a doctor. Doctor Hope

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says that he suggests did they force
her, but as we now know,

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Sheila and Clay never followed through.
Doctor Bickham sent request for medical records from

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all nearby hospitals and got no response. It appears that Lacy had not seen

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a doctor since she was seventeen.
That's nineteen years. According to what I've

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read, Doctor Bickham might have been
the one most affected by this case.

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He said quote, the scene was
sickening. I've seen some horrible things in

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my life, but nothing like this. I couldn't eat for a week and

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I cried for a week. In
December of twenty twenty two, less than

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a year after Lacy's death, doctor
Bickham resigned. More than anything else,

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I became obsessed with trying to find
an answer to the question that I'm sure

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is also on your mind. How
could a parent do this to their child?

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And seemingly normal parents at that The
Fletchers were not hoarders, they didn't

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seem to have any obvious mental illness. They both held down jobs and had

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active social lives, Yet they neglected
and abused their daughter in one of the

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most depraved ways imaginable. I read
whispers that Sheila Fletcher had a Facebook page,

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and I wanted to review it,
but appears she has deleted it and

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I couldn't find any screen captures.
One report from the Daily Mail says that

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Sheila had written on her Facebook wall
after Lacy's death quote mom and Dad love

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you so much, with a link
to the details of the memorial service.

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And although Sheila's Facebook account had disappeared, I did discover some traces of her

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online profile. For one, I
found she was an active member of a

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group called the Slaughter Civic Club.
It seems to be a volunteer group and

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Slaughter that helps put on small town
events like Christmas parades, fall festivals,

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etc. Sheila appears in a number
of pictures on the group facebook page.

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October twenty eighteen. She's smiling standing
next to a woman holding a candle.

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The caption and the prize winner at
Tonight's monthly meeting is a net presenting the

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prize is Sheila Fletcher. September twenty
eighteen. She's standing behind three of her

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peers, another wide eyed smile and
her arms stretched open embracing them. The

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caption It's Slaughterfest time. This is
just a look back and all the support

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and love shared. Love y'all third
times a charm hashtag shared the Love Slaughterfest.

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One of the only pictures Clay appears
in is from February of twenty eighteen.

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Sheila and Clay sat at a folding
table draped with a white disposable tablecloth.

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They're sitting next to six friends.
Sheila has her hand on the woman's

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shoulder sitting in adjacent to her they're
both smiling. December twenty seventeen, Sheila

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wears a red Christmas dress, the
collar decorated with holiday tree. Sheila looks

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happy and during all this time,
her daughter Lacy sitting at home dying a

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slow, painful, undignified death.
On May second, twenty and twenty two,

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a grand jury of twelve indicated Sheila
and Clay Fletcher on charges of second

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degree murder, and a warrant was
issued for their arrest. See what happens

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now. They're going to be arrested, and I think the sheriff is better

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in a position to explain what's going
to happen at the other The warrants have

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been cut. The judge will sign
them shortly and they will be arrested this

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afternoon and we placed into the East
Bullish out of Parish prison. Will we

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be arrested. I'm not one hundred
percent sware that the specific location, but

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they will be arrested this afternoon.
Well, maybe allowed to turn themselves in.

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I believe you guys are going to
work this. We are discussing what

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their lawyer of them to turn themselves
in, but they will be arrested this

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afternoon to Sheriff's office initially investigated this
case in January, and the conditions that

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she was found was just unappromivable.
I mean, you don't treat anybody or

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any animals like that, and aring
a better position to explain that to you

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if they feel like they want to
explain it to you right now. But

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something had you done, and we
all got together, we all stood on

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the same platform, and when we're
all here now, when we got a

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conviction, I've got an indictment for
secondary murder. That's exactly right. I

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mean, it was horrific. As
I said earlier today, I think it

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was nothing short of horrific and sickening. I know that the corner can speak

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a little more about that, but
the one thing that I want to speak

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about what the district attorney said is
that we all collectively work together to reach

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the point that we're at now.
This is a this is a case that

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is rare, but today I think
that everything was done correctly by every member

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of this team, and we successfully
reached a conviction that we believe is going

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to bring justice for license situations.
Cause of dance stem from severe matterical neglect,

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which led to chronic manutrition, acute
starvation, the immobility, the cubitus,

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auser formation I steel my elitis which
is bone infection, which led a

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finalance of sepsis back to raemia flood
forth not for cause of the Clay and

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Sheila were each held on three hundred
thousand dollars bond. They bonded out of

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jail, which was not cheap as
you can imagine in the state of Louisiana.

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Bond is said at right around twelve
percent, which means they each paid

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out of pockets a nonrefundable thirty six
thousand dollars until their trial date, which

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as of this recording has not yet
arrived. Sheila and Clay Fletcher will continue

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to live as free individuals, but
justice is coming. The district attorney said

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he will not accept any plea deals
in this case. Quote on a murder,

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you have to have intent. Did
they want to kill her? I

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want to say, yeah, they
wanted to kill her. He goes on

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to say, it's a justice for
Lacy. Nobody needs to be treated this

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way. On June nineteenth, two
and twenty two, both Clay and Sheila

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pled not guilty, which means the
case will go to trial in that date

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was initially set for February six,
twenty twenty three, which was delayed.

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The new date is set for June
nineteenth, two thousand and twenty three.

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I have been in contact with the
state regarding the nine phone call that Sheila

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made on the night of her daughter's
death, which is pending release after the

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trial. When that day comes,
I will post that nine one one phone

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call and hopefully also the video interview
with Sheila and Clay that was conducted by

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police. I have some personal thoughts
about this case that I'd like to share

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with you, theory on how this
unimaginable situation might have developed. But before

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we do that, we'll take a
quick break. Stay with us today.

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Back to the show. What is
it about cases like that of Lacy Fletcher

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that so fascinates us? It's a
question I often ask myself. In the

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genre of fiction horror, I can
tell myself that it's not real, but

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in true crime, the fact that
it is real is exactly what draws us

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to these stories. So I'll pose
the question to you, dear listener,

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why do you listen to these stories? Is it for entertainment? Have you

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ever asked yourself? Are we sacrificing
the tragedy of others for a quick dopamine

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hit. Of course, I'd like
to think that there's something more than that,

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perhaps innate desire or drive to try
and comprehend this seemingly incomprehensible. But

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maybe that's my own delusion, or
maybe it's just wishful thinking. What are

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my true motives in my obsessive research
into these cases? One uncomfortable thing that

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I've found is that in this story, like with many other true crime stories,

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there's an obvious villain, the Fletcher
parents. What they did to their

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daughter represents pure evil, and there's
an undeniable attraction to that feeling of righteous

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indignation that boils over when I think
of what they did to their daughter and

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only child. Not all judgment is
bad. In fact, it can have

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incredible utility. We have to judge
people in situations to navigate our way through

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life. But if I'm being honest, the way I feel towards Clay and

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Sheila has at times felt more like
hatred than judgment, And I can't quite

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explain it, but there's something else
inside of me that pushes back against that

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feeling, against that black and white
way of thinking. Perhaps it's my conscience

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reminding me of the mistakes I've made, the people I've hurt. I don't

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know now. To be clear,
I've never neglected or abused anyone in the

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way that the Fletcher parents abused and
neglected their daughter, not even close.

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But when I start to set aside
the judgment and the hatred, I'm left

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with an emotion that feels much more
honest and raw. And that's what I

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think I might call pity. You
might call it compassion. And to make

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it clear, I'm not trying to
morally grandstand here or tell you how you

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should feel. I also won't pretend
to be able to explain how this situation

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came to be. I myself still
cannot comprehend the depths of depravity that the

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human soul must exist in to be
capable of neglecting another human being to the

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point of death, let alone your
own child. But if I were asked

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to propose a theory, it might
go something like this. There was some

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pivotal event that led to the beginning
of Lacy being neglected. I can't tell

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you exactly what that was, but
after some period of time, this neglect

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began to feel normalized in the eyes
of her parents. A bedsore or a

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pressure ulcer can begin to form in
just two to hours of a person not

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being moved, and if Sheila and
Clay did not have any medical training,

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they might not have known that they
would need to be continuously moving the Lacy

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to prevent her from forming these bed
sores. Now, how it got to

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the point that it did, I
have no idea, but What I do

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know is that part of the human
condition is that we start to become accustomed

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to things that initially seem unbearable.
Have you ever been in a room with

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an absolutely disgusting smell, but after
you've been in that room for maybe thirty

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minutes to an hour, or maybe
even four or five hours, you can't

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really smell it anymore. I think
that might be part of the key to

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understanding this. But I also think
there had to be moments when Clay and

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Sheila realized they were neglecting their daughter
to the point of severe medical abuse.

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I mean, there is no ignoring
the fact that she was literally sitting in

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a pile of urine and feces,
and these moments when reality broke through to

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them, I think that's when the
extreme guilt and shame began to kick in.

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And we'll come back to the shame
in the second because I think that

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is actually one of the most important
keys in understanding what happened. We know

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that there was one time when Sheila
and Clay try to call a doctor to

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get help for Lacey, and I
would say there had to have been at

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least a handful of times when they
confronted Lacy and trying to convince her to

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go see a doctor, but their
own delusions caused them to balk. The

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paradox is this, their refusal to
accept that Lacy had a severe developmental disability

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created the very conditions for that disability
to intensify and spiral out of control.

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For whatever reason, they refused to
accept that Lacy had Asperger syndrome, and

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they refused to accept that she could
no longer make healthy decisions for herself.

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And unfortunately, that refusal meant they
decided to let Lacy rot instead of getting

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her help. Being a parent is
a huge responsibility, and taking care of

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a child, I think we can
all agree as one of the most important

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jobs in the world. Neglecting your
own child goes against our instincts as parents.

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Now I'm not a parent, but
I know this being a son of

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two parents, and my parents were
not perfect, and when they've fallen short,

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I've seen the pain on their faces. Even though Clay and Sheila were

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in denial, deep down, I
think that they both resented themselves for what

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they were doing to their daughter.
Again, this is only a theory,

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but my best guess is that Clay
and Sheila were both struggling with their own

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mental health issues. In my hypothesis
is that this internalized self hatred eventually turned

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outward and they began to resent their
own daughter for the situation they had put

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themselves in. When a person struggling
with mental health, it can be difficult

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to manage negative emotions and feelings,
and I think this subconscious resentment they felt

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towards Lacy caused the neglect to intensify. In this I think was like pouring

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gasoline on a fire. It's hard
to imagine the level of delusion in which

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Clay and Sheila lived, being that
they both were not schizophrenic. They both

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held down good paying jobs, they
maintained a well kept house, and had

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active social lives. But if there
was any event that might be able to

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shatter the delusion, I think it
might have been the death of Lacy.

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Only time will tell if the delusion
has been shattered. But if it has

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been and they are now living back
in reality where they realize that they actually

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killed their own daughter, I'd think
that fate might be worse than death.

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Facing life in prison their only daughter
dead, universally hated by the world.

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I imagine living in a world like
that would not be dissimilar to living in

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hell. If there is such a
thing, Sheila and Clay Fletcher will have

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to pay the legal price for the
crimes. And whether there is a next

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life, one thing is for sure, the consequences of their actions will reverberate

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karmically long after their worldly existence comes
to an end. Now, assuming that

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some of my presumptions are correct,
I'm going to ask something of you,

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dear listener, that may seem uncouth
or perhaps even defensive, which I can

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understand. You have just heard Lacy's
story for the very first time and are

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likely still trying to find a way
to wrap your head around the unimaginable pain

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and suffering that she experienced. But
maybe in a couple of days, maybe

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a couple of weeks or months,
I would ask you to reflect back on

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Lacy's story, and if you are
the praying type, I would ask you

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to join me in a prayer not
just for the soul of Lacey Ellen Fletcher,

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may she rest in peace, but
also for the souls of Sheila Fletcher

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and Clay Fletcher. Yeah, I
had what would you have? I would

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have called the people. I don't
have a char I wouldn't have had a

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chars. We have an obligation to
each other humans. I'm telling Matt to

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live like God wants you to live. And you said that the Fletcher's attended

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church. Yeah, yeah, it
was community. Yes, she said this

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is they come. Yes. Never
never dreamed that anything like that was going

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on. She was an alderman,
you know. And I mean she looked

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in clay. I mean that they
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What do you think should happen?
Now? They don't. They don't

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have to pay for what I mean
whatever, the you know, the law

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