S7, Chapter 2: Bruised Blood

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I had to open the bruise up
and let some of the blues blood come

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out to show them, come out
to show them. Tapes from the Dark

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Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality. Listener discretion is advised. On April

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ninth, nineteen eighty seven, at
eleven thirty eight pm, Sue to Walt,

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who was the investigating officer, interviewed
Brenda Valerie Lundein, mother of Jacob

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Lundeine, at the University of New
Mexico Hospital. In this interview, Brenda

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stated she doesn't know what happened to
Jacob, but she doesn't know anyone who

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would want to hurt him. She
said her living boyfriend John seemed to care

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for Jacob and took good care of
him in her presence, and then she

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went on to discuss the relationship between
her six year old son Eric and his

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brother, nine month old Jacob.
Quote. Brenda's six year old son Eric

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is extremely jealous of the baby and
has been mean to the baby in the

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past. When Jacob was first brought
home from the hospital after he was born,

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Eric would shake the crib and wake
him up. Approximately five weeks ago,

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she noticed Jacob's ear had been hurt. She took him to the doctor

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in Sikora, who told her the
injury was not serious. Eric finally admitted

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that the baby had been crying and
he took the baby out of the crib

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and dropped him. John was watching
the two boys when this occurred. Approximately

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two weeks later, Brenda's mother noticed
a large, soft lump on the side

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of Jacob's head. They took Jacob
to see the doctor who treated the injury.

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The doctor told her the injury was
due to a blow in the head.

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In questioning Eric, he admitted he
had kicked the baby in the head.

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At this time, she called Eric's
father, who lives in California,

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and requested he'd take custody of Eric. She felt that perhaps Eric was not

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receiving enough attention, which was causing
him to hurt Jacob. By removing Eric

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from the home, she felt Jacob
would be safe. On April tenth,

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nineteen eighty seven, at approximately twelve
forty seven am, sued to Walt interviewed

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Merlinda Crawford, mother of Brenda Landine
and grandmother to Jacob and Eric. This

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interview also took place at the University
of New Mexico Hospital Jacob would pass away

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just a few hours after this interview. This is directly from Sue to Walt's

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notes quote where Linda said Eric had
been extremely jealous of Jacob ever since Jacob

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was born. For the first three
months after Jacob's birth, Brenda, Eric

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and Jacob lived with her. She
saw that every time Eric would walk past

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the baby, he would hit him
or kick him. She talked to Eric

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about it, and she thought he
had stopped. There were other events that

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occurred showing how jealous Eric was.
Eric once made a comment that Jacob had

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a pretty name and he had an
ugly name. Merlinda stated she has not

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seen bruises or any other indication of
child abuse on Jacob. She said she

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looks over him very carefully because she
has heard lots of stories about boyfriends abusing

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children. She also stated that John
does not take care of Jacob very often.

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I stated at the beginning of this
episode that my goal when approaching this

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story specifically, was to recognize my
bias and try to remain neutral, and

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so when faced with this information,
I was suddenly confused about how to proceed,

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and I finally decided that if Eric
was my friend, the best thing

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to do would be to approach him
directly. I sent Eric Facebook message and

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was relieved to discover he was open
to talking about this. So we scheduled

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a time to talk and I gave
Eric a call. Mer Linda is your

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grandmother on your mom's side, so
she's Brenda's mother. In the statements on

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Sue to Waltz police report, she
said that Eric had been extremely jealous of

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Jacob ever since Jacob was born.
Now, I know you said you were

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very excited to have a brother before
he was born, and I knew you

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were only six, so it's very
normal to have jealous emotions. But do

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you remember him being born in like
some of that excitement dissipating or how would

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you describe it. I think that
as he got older and I started to

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notice that people were definitely more interested
in him. You know, I'm going

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from an only child to a second
child, was I think probably challenging for

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me and my limited emotional capacity at
the time. I don't remember being jealous

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of Jake to the point that I
wanted to hurt him. I remember being

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jealous of his name. I remember
thinking that he had a prettier name than

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I did, and it's possible,
you know, that I was that jealous

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of him. It's possible that I
did pinch him or hit him. I

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don't recall doing that. I was
very small, but it's possible. I

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mean, kids do get jealous of
other kids. Yeah, definitely, that's

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one. That's the other thing I
was going to say. She said that

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when Eric would walk past the baby, he would hit her or kick him.

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It's what Merlinda said. I have
a hard time believing that she meant

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that literally every time you would walk
past him, right, And so do

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you think that that's I mean,
I'm sure there were times where I hit

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him or you know, pinched him
or something. There were times where he

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pulled my hair, you know.
So I don't know. I mean,

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I don't remember having this kind of
like jealous rage. That seems to be

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like the theme of what people are
saying here or what my grandmother's saying.

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But maybe maybe I did. I
don't know. John had left you to

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babysit Jacob at six years old,
and then I guess he came back and

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claims that you took him out of
the crib and dropped him. Yeah,

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that's a strange one. I don't
remember that happening. But I find it

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really hard to believe that any responsible
parent would leave a six year old in

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charge of a six month old baby, Like, I don't see that as

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something normal. It's pretty objectively negligent
abusive. Yeah, definitely negligent. It's

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definitely negligent. Yeah, so I
don't recall that happening. According to his

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story, I was alone with Jacob, and Jacob was crying and I picked

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him up out of the crib and
he fell, and that's how he fractured

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his skull and had fluid building up
on his brain. So, yeah,

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did he ever? Did he or
even your mom ever explained why if they

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had suspicions that you were doing this, why they would have left you alone

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with Well, that's the thing,
right, Well, my mom wouldn't left

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me alone. My mom was at
work, so it would have just been

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him, And so that's that's the
question. If you're so concerned about me

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hurting Jacob, then why would you
leave me alone with Jacob? And that's

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not even the worst Why would you
leave me alone? Like I'm six years

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old? Why would you leave me
alone with Jacob? Yeah, that's the

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worst one. But the secondary one
is definitely that. The thing that's important

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to understand is that crib was very
tall. I mean it must have been.

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The rails must have been up to
like five foot tall. So in

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order for me to get Jacob out
of there, I would have had to

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have moved a chair I suspect up
against the crib and then tried to pick

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him up. He was a big
baby. He weighed ten pounds when he

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was born. By that point he
was probably twenty pounds. I would have

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been lucky if I was forty.
So, yeah, you know, physics

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alone, Let's say I do manage
to get him out of there. Okay,

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maybe I could have dropped him off
the chair. I don't know.

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I don't recall that happening. I
feel like I would have, right,

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And then there was one other incident, and this is the last thing in

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regards to this, but Jacob in
the medical report had a bruised rib.

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Yeah. I don't know if it
was fully broken. I think it's a

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broken heeled, broken heeled, right. Yeah, and you had one memory

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of kicking or correct me if I'm
wrong, but I think you said you

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had a memory of kicking Jacob one
time. Yeah, you do you can

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you tell us what you remember from
that. We were laying on the floor

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and he was kind of clawing on
my leg and so I kicked and like

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it wasn't very hard. I don't
think I would have had strength to fracture

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his skull, but I do remember
my leg kicked out and it did it

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did him, you know, on
the top of his not the top of

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his head, but like his forehead. And this was a separate time than

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the crib incident or this alleged crib
alleged right right, yeah, yeah,

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okay, so this was not anything
to do with a rib a rib though,

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no chest, oh no. And
from that rib do we have any

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was there any ever, ever,
any um hypothetical situation put forth like the

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crib or the kicking that anybody to
explain the no, none of them.

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Nobody really knows when that happened or
or how long it had been. He

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had been fussy a lot, and
it makes sense now knowing how much paint

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he was in. He was pretty
fussy shortly after he started we started living

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with John. After talking with Eric, there were parts of the story that

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were still a little fuzzy. But
I felt like I understood the situation much

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better. What sounded like to me
was this was a case of pretty typical

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back and forth between siblings. Eric
admitted that he had been jealous of Jacob,

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but that's fairly normal, especially for
a six year old. The incident

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in which Eric kicked Jacob in the
head sounded like a pretty typical physical back

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and forth between two brothers, granted
one was six and one was nine months

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old. But what it didn't sound
like to me it was a case of

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child abuse, at least not from
Eric towards Jacob. Another thing that I

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felt was very telling in my interview
with Eric was not what he remembered,

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but what he didn't remember. He
didn't remember ever taking Jacob out of the

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crib and dropping him on the ground
intentionally. He doesn't remember ever hitting Jacob

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in the ribs, and he never
remembered ever intentionally hurting Jacob except for that

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single incident when he kicked him in
the head, which seemed like more of

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a reflex from Jacob pulling his hair. Most of all, from what I

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gleaned in my interview with Eric was
that he was completely open and honest about

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any question I threw at him when
he didn't remember something. He told me

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that he didn't remember when his memory
of his motives seemed unclear. He admitted

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that. And I don't think that
this is just my bias. When I

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asked myself in my Heart of hearts
if Eric was being completely honest answer that

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question, at least from my point
of view, that he was. My

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full conversation with Eric we actually recorded
as an after show and it will be

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posted to the main feed. We
went on to talk about some of the

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resentments that John had towards Jacob.
But first I asked Eric about something that

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Merlinda had said, which was that
John doesn't look after Jacob very often,

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which from everything I had seen,
it sounded like John actually was watching Jacob

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quite often. And so I posed
this question to Eric. And another thing

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that Merlinda said, this is not
about the abuse, but she said John

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doesn't take care of Jacob very often. Is that true, because it seemed

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like he was actually taking care of
Jacob. Yeah, So what she's talking

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about is after I was sent to
California to be with my dad, my

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mom really stopped allowing Jacob to be
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and and so that one night,
when there was no other person laughed,

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she had to leave him with him
for an hour. That's when he

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died. That's but it had been
weeks. It had been like maybe nine

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or ten weeks where he hadn't been
alone with Jacob. And did you I

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mean you were in another city and
you were only six, So maybe in

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retrospect, did you ever hear from
your mom was he upset that it seemed

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like he wasn't being trusted with Jacob
anymore. I don't know that he was

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upset. I would have to ask
my mom that. That's not a question

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I've ever asked her, because I
could see his personality from what I've gleaned

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from reading the reports and talking to
you, that perhaps that made him mad

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and maybe he had some resentment towards
Jacob for that. He definitely resented Jacob.

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I mean, there were times where
he screamed at my mom for turning

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down the radio because Jacob was sleeping. You know. There were just several

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incidents where he kind of burst out
and broke through his facade and yelled and

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got kind of scary. But I
think those were the only times that he

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gave any indication that he had some
like anger or rage issues, and there

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was an incident where it seemed like
he went to hold Jacob. Jacob had

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a very negative reaction and started crying. Yeah. So one of the things

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about Jacob is he was adventurous.
He was a daredevil. He liked crazy

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things. He liked to play Superman, you know. He liked when people

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put him over their heads and pretended
like he was flying. And he liked

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to grab the front legs of the
baby swing so that the whole thing would

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fall backwards. He was a crazy
kid. And then his personality changed.

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He stopped liking people putting him over
their heads. My grandmother pointed out to

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my mom and said, look,
he's acting really weird. Normally he likes

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me to do this, Now he
doesn't. And so she shows my mom

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and he's trying to jump out of
her arms to go into my mom's arms,

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and he's crying and screaming and clawing
at my grandma's hair. And so

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my mom goes to John and says, you are you hurting Jacob? Like,

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what's going on? He's acting really
weird. He's afraid of things that

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he's never been afraid of before,
and John picks him up and says,

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no, all I do is this
and starts to put him over his head,

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and Jacob again is freaking out,
trying to jump out of his arms

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into my mom's arms, and my
mom tells him, like, don't ever

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do that again. Doesn't like it, stop doing that to him. On

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the night of April ninth, nineteen
eighty seven, Susan Dwalt signed a police

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hold placing Jacob Lendin under protective custody, which prevented him from being returned home

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until their larger investigation was completed.
But tragically, this order never needed to

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be enforced. Just a few hours
after it was signed, in the early

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morning hours of April tenth, nineteen
eighty seven, and approximately three fifty eight

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am, Susan Duwald received a phone
call from doctor Benny McWilliams advising that Jacob

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Lendein had died during surgery at three
thirty five am. In the days following

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Jacob's death, Susan Duwald continue to
investigate this case. She talked with Sue

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Holland, who was a social worker
in charge of overseeing Jacob's case. Sue

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Holland said that at one point she
received an anonymous complaint from a neighbor alleging

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that the boyfriend was hitting Jacob,
and then, on the afternoon of the

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same day as Jacob's death, Eric
was interviewed by Sue to Walt. It

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appears to be the shortest interview she
conducted, with only two brief paragraphs in

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her notes quote. I talked briefly
with Eric at the State Police office in

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Albuquerque. He stated that John had
never struck him, although he acted like

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he was going to hit or kick
him. Eric also stated that at one

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time John told him he'd better be
quiet or else he would hit Eric with

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a belt. When I asked Eric
about the incident that caused the previous head

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injury to Jacob, he became very
agitated and stated he had not heard Jacob.

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When asked who had done it,
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this point, the police interviewed the
doctors who had treated Jacob, doctor Lance

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and doctor McWilliams, and after these
interviews, their suspicions towards John began to

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grow. On April tenth, nineteen
eighty seven, approximately four four pm,

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I spoke with doctor Patton Lance,
who is the pathologist who conducted the autopsy

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and Jacob lentein. Doctor Lance stated
he found a broken rib, which was

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an old injury, and in addition
to the older head injury, he found

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a recent trauma to the head.
He said the skull had been fractured along

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a suture and the injury was probably
caused by an open hand. There were

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no marks on the scalp and very
little blood under the skin. He felt

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the onset of symptoms would have occurred
no more than one half hour after the

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injury. He also found slight trauma
to the buttocks. He is going to

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attempt to date the rib fracture.
Doctor Lance says that the old injury was

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probably caused by an open hand,
not a kick to the head. And

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then we have the interview with doctor
mc williams in which we get an insight

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into John's reaction upon hearing about Jacob's
death for the first time. You might

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expect upon hearing about the death of
his stepson, John would be overwhelmed with

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grief, but that is now what
doctor McWilliam says. From sued Walt's notes

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quote, Brenda became hysterical and ran
out of the room. After she calmed

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down and came back in doctor McWilliam
spoke with both Brenda and John. He

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explained to them that the child was
extremely sick and near death when he arrived

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at the hospital and they were not
able to save him. At that time,

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the mother again left the room,
and then doctor McWilliams spoke one on

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one with John. John seemed nervous
and stated that this was going to make

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him look bad. Doctor McWilliams stated
John felt like he was going to be

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blamed for the baby's death. He
said he didn't have a good feel about

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whether John acted more concerned for himself
or the child, and he said that

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John seemed to have more concern about
being blamed than the average person he has

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dealt with. Doctor McWilliams was later
interviewed by another officer, Patrick Apodaca,

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who was a detective investigating the death
of Jacob. Again, doctor McWilliams recounts

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his interaction with John that night,
quote, John appeared very nervous and stated

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this would make him look bad and
people would blame him. John related to

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doctor McWilliams the story of the baby
being found on the floor neck to the

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couch, and he appeared more concerned
for himself than for the baby. John

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stated he had never hit the baby. Doctor McWilliams then stated to John that

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in his opinion, the baby could
not have suffered the injuries by falling off

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the couch and striking the coffee table. He would have had to have fallen

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from a great height, approximately four
stories to sustain that type of injury.

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He said, it appears that the
injury was caused by a severe blow from

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a blunt object, such as an
open hand. If the baby would have

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struck the coffee table, of the
laceration would have been more to find and

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there would have been bleeding under the
skin area and then abruptly. At least

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according to the police notes, the
case took a dramatic turn out of seemingly

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nowhere a confession had been obtained.
We'll tell you everything we know right after

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this quick break. Stay with us. From the police records quote. At

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approximately nine pm on April twelfth,
nineteen eighty seven, I was contacted by

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Detective pat Apadaca, who stated he
had just completed an interview with John.

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He stated John was still denying striking
the child and he wanted to have a

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polygraph examination administered. John consented,
and so a polygraph exam was scheduled for

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one PM April fifteenth, nineteen eighty
seven. Was Sergeant John Cordova of the

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New Mexico State Police. The next
century and Sue to Walt's report announce as

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an event that would have dramatic implications
for the case. But at approximately four

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PM on April fourteenth, nineteen eighty
seven, I was contacted by Detective pat

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Apodaca, who advised me the polygraph
exam would be unnecessary insomuch as a confession

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had been obtained from John. On
April twentieth, nineteen eighty seven, I

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spoke with Assistant Chief Johnny Trujillo,
who advised me he had interviewed John on

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April fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven,
at approximately ten thirty am, during which

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he obtained a confession. It had
not just been a street cop or even

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a detective or investigator who had obtained
the confession. It was the assistant chief

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of police. Now we know false
confessions are a thing, but as long

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as there was no breaking of constitutional
rights such as a miranda violation, this

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seemed like the break in the case
that will put John away for good for

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killing Jacob. The next entry reads
Trihio is evaluating the case and an arrest

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has not been made at this time. Case status active. This is where

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our case should wrap up, a
confession which would inevitably be followed by an

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arrest and then most likely a guilty
plea which would result in sentencing and closure

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for the victims. But the problem
is none of that happened. After the

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confession. John was not arrested and
no charges were brought. I remember reading

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this for the first time, and
even to this day thinking about it,

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I find it hard to comprehend,
and I began to just get a small

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glimpse inside the frustration that Eric Carter
Lundine and as mother Brenda had been facing

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for the last three decades. I
trying to find a copy of the confession

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in the police records. It says
that it was audio recorded. It also

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says that there was a transcript and
there were notes taken by the assistant chief.

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But it's wow, we have a
case file of dozens almost one hundred

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pages thick. This confession no longer
exists in any form. There is no

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more audio recording, there are no
notes, and there is no transcript.

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How is it that this person confessed
and how is there no recording, How

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is there no transcript? How is
there no summary of that confession? That's

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absurd to me. That's exactly what
I wanted to ask you about, which

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is, on April twentieth, nineteen
eighty seven, we had the first confession

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where a pol graphic examination was scheduled
and they called it off. We're actually

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sorry. April fourteenth, nineteen eighty
seven. And then on April twentieth,

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Sue de Walt talked with Assistant Chief
Johnny Trujillo, who said that he obtained

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a full confession and do you have
any have you received any explanation, because

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as per what you just said and
what's in the episode, that confession summary,

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audio transcript, everything is missing.
Do you have they given you any

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explanation of what happened. It's a
really old case and things go missing all

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the time. Two things I want
to add here that I find quite peculiar.

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One is that John had friends in
the Sekoro Police department. He used

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to play basketball together. Another is
that as a maintenance man, John had

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keys to almost every business in the
city, including the police department. Beyond

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that information, we don't have any
evidence, but it seems peculiar that the

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smoking gun in this case that would
have put John away conveniently when missing,

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but all hope was not lost.
The polygraph exam, which was initially called

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off, was suddenly rescheduled for July
ninth, nineteen eighty seven, and we

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do have a copy of that meeting
in which John failed the polygraph test and

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then at least seemingly again confess to
accidentally killing Jacob. We have the document

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containing the results of that polygraph exam
and exactly what John told investigators on that

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