S11, Chapter 3: Cat Mellender

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questions for some verification. Okay,
any fire pits at the house? Uh

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yeah, in the back yard.
Okay, did you all use it it

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all? They used it before,
not recently, Okay, Like they use

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it to like burn brushes though that
they like cut off near the like you

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know, how they're on the water. There's like some bushes or like weeds

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that come there. They usually like
rip them out, burn them, or

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like they burned the like stick stuff
all down. Yeah, hm hmm,

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have any updates? Oh, just
trying to figure it out. So you

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said he had a did he try
to make a dump run on Saturday?

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Do you know what he was gonna
throw away? There's like a turp of

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like you know, a layer of
dirt and like grass on it because his

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parents just planted a tree before they
left at the front yard. Where's the

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heart bat driveway? Okay? So
it was still? It was there yesterday,

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I know there were today. Yeah. So did he actually go to

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the dump? No, it was
close, he knew it was. I

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don't know if he went there or
like googled it that it was closed,

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But it's been in the same squad, so just assume he googled it.

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Did Liz not call my mom yet? I gave her the number last night,

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so I talked already. Oh that's
a good question. I gave her

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my mom and her fiance's number.
Okay, so she's got both. Crescent

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Lassai is my mom's fiance. I'll
call it Cres for short, Okay.

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Crescent Lassai aka Cress will come to
play an important role in this case,

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specifically a key interaction that she has
with chain in the pool at her farm,

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which we'll later hear her testify about
in court. And you go by

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cat, but it's actually I c
ad h r Yan. Has he been

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So he's been in your car,
but he never actually drove it this weekend

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since Thursday. My mom and dad
laughed and tall, not that I recall

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him driving it, No, but
he's been in it, okay, usually

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already shocked. Then he does yeah, like if I'm tired one night,

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like he'll drive, or like I
just don't feel like driving. But that's

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before the fall. You might have
missed it if you weren't paying close attention.

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Kat said that sometimes Chandler would drive
her car, but that was quote

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before the fall. Soon enough we'll
learn all about Chandler Small that text message

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that you said, so sunny,
he gets a text message from his mom?

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Did you hear it? Ding?
How do you know he got like?

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How do you know he got a
text message from her? He told

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me he just told you. Was
it just kind of out of the blue

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or did he go and look at
his phone and say, oh my mom

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send me a text? Or up
in conversation like, oh I got to

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text my mom earlier do you remember. Yeah, just then he mentioned that

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he got a text from his mom, my mom, watch here. Yeah,

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she wanted to make sure that if
we were around chand lerning to let

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him know that she's thinking of him
too, because this is probably just one

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big misunderstanding. Oh, Mitch called
me. Can I call Mitch back?

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That's his brother. Okay, So
any of the chores or anytime that you

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saw went over to the house,
did you see any like storage bins?

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Was anyone doing anything moving anything?
They have a lot of storagements in the

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basement, like Miss Hollerson labels them
all, what are we organized? It's

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like she's of all three of the
boys Eagle Scouts and Boy Scouts stuff okay,

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like a box of their legos,
Okay, like bionicles, like memory

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stuff. Okay, if you guys
go with the basement, you'll see it.

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Okay. If you didn't see,
did you see Shandler with any storage

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bins? No? Okay, I
didn't go out the basement for the weekend.

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But is that an area you're not? Like, I'm a lot of

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the basement. Okay, I just
didn't know. They have like a little

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fridge down there that they keep soda
and like since their house gets so hot,

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sometimes Chandler will like put his uh
college like apartment mattress down and like

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set up a table and like,
you know, be on his computer down

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there because it's colder. Okay,
and the dogs will hang out with him,

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the floristmen. Okay, Kay.
When he sat your farm this weekend,

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was he were you guys at pulled
the whole time? Or is he

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walking around property at all? Mm
hmm. I mean we went on walks

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together, but walking's hard for him. Sure, It's not like he could

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run away and I wouldn't see him. But we were on each other the

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whole time. What the furtherest you
guys walk? You think it's a big

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property out here? Yeah? Probably
the furthest we went was like pool.

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Like on Monday, he said he
walked off by himself, but he was

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going to cry. So on Monday
he walked off by himself. I will

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cry, Yeah, he'll cry.
I was you upset about it? If

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mom had texted him on Sunday saying
that the job things still the job thing?

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Yeah? And when did you find
out about the job Is that Monday?

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Yes? Because it was right after
his appointment because they like called him

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a chardon. Okay, Chandler's so
called job thing is another recent happening that

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I'll fill you in on the mom
text. No embarrassing baby photos. No,

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she's that type of mom. Your
mom seems very nice. She used

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to sew my dance costumes. Oh
really, brats weally loures me sweets are

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candy and Spanish? Are you bilingual? No? Oh? My, like

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my dad wanted to be as American
as possible. You know, when my

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mom was here, a lot of
Mexicans faced a lot of problems, and

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they still do so. Sadly,
it was in the best interest of my

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life that I didn't learn Spanish.
Okay, sorry to go deep like that,

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You're good. I honestly ask him
many questions. Sometimes I think that's

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your job, though some would say
some might say it's also my job to

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go deep, at least my self
appointed job, to ask questions, to

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try to find answers or at least
context. But in the realm of true

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crime, there's an ethical line that
is sometimes thin, sometimes so thin you're

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not sure when you've crossed it.
And that's why I've debated whether to include

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the following information about Cat's father in
this episode. Ultimately, I came to

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the conclusion that it helps to tell
a more complete version of Kat's story,

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and to be frank, I think
she's gotten a little bit of a raw

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deal on this podcast up until this
point. What I mean by that is

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I've played for you her prison phone
calls with Chandler, which by the way,

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all occurred pre trial, before Chandler
was decided to be innocent or guilty,

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and I've played those for you without
much context. In doing so,

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I realized that I've put her in
an awkward position, not quite guilt by

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association, but maybe something adjacent to
that. I will say in my defense

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that if this story was only going
to be one or two episodes along,

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I would not have presented it that
way. And so now I'll stop rambling

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and share with you what I found
about Kat's father. I'll also quickly note

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that all the information that I'm about
to tell you is publicly available. Clayton

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Melnder died at the age of thirty
nine in July two thousand and seven.

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Kat was only six years old at
the time. The cause of death was

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listed as a ruptured artery. According
to his obituary. Clayton was kind hearted,

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compassionate, and hard working, but
unfortunately, like all of us,

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he also had a dark side,
unseen by most but documented nonetheless. Clayton's

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first felony was in nineteen eighty nine, when he was found guilty of forgery

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and burglary. He served one year
in the local jail in Dane County and

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was ordered to five years probation.
Around one year later, he was again

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found guilty of burglary, and likely
because he was already on probation, the

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sentence was more harsh five years in
state prison. Three years later, in

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nineteen ninety three, he was again
found guilty of burglary and sentenced to eight

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years probation. Fast forward to two
thousand and two, Kat would have just

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been one, maybe two years old, Clayton was found guilty attempted robbery with

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threat of force. He served a
year and a half in prison and six

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year supervision with random drug testing and
a parole officer. In two thousand and

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four, when his sentence was up, his supervision period was revoked and he

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served an additional one year in eight
months. In March of two thousand and

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four, Deulce Catherine's mother and Clayton's
wife filed for divorce. Three months later.

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In June of two thousand and four, Clayton was found guilty of retail

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theft. He served thirty days in
jail. One month later, in July

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of the same year, he was
found guilty of retail theft and worthless checks.

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He served one year in jail in
six months probation. The soul of

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Clayton Melender left this earth in two
thousand and seven, but the consequences of

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his actions didn't disappear so quickly.
There's no point in speculating how the future

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might have turned out for Cat had
he not been in and out of prison

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throughout her very early childhood. We
simply don't know. But to pretend that

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it didn't play any role at all, I think would be ignorant. Everyone

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does good and bad things in their
life, and the last thing I would

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want when I pass away is for
somebody on a podcast to mention my name

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and then rattle off a list of
every wrong thing I've done. I say

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that to remind you that two realities
can exist at the same time. The

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fact show us that Clayton likely struggled
with a drug addiction throughout his entire life,

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and that this addiction possibly took his
life in two thousand and seven.

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This is corroborated not only by Clayton's
extensive rap sheet, but also by the

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fact that we know he had a
methodone prescription, which is a medication used

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to treat opiate addiction. More rarely, methodone is sometimes also used to treat

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infetamine abuse. Infetamines are also known
to put a strain on the circulatory system

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and the arteries in the body,
and so it's possible that infetamine use was

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at least partly to blame for his
death in two thousand and seven. It's

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also undeniable that he had a long
criminal history, but that doesn't mean that

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it might not also be true what
was written in his obituary, that he

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was kind hearted, that he was
compassionate, and that he was hardworking.

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In all of the interviews I have
watched and listened with Kat Melender, she

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never once talks bad about her deceased
father. In twenty fifteen, Dulce made

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a public Facebook post on the eight
year anniversary of Clayton's death. It's a

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long post and so I won't read
the whole thing, but one passage specifically

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says, quote Clay, he took
all my heart, honey, and you

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never give it back to me.
Now. I don't expect no one to

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understand me or respect how I feel. But I miss you. You will

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be my one, immortal, my
life. I wish I could see you

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just once again, aging and tell
you so many things good and bad.

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I love you. Our son,
James's girlfriend is making a wonderful video and

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I smile for them, but deep
inside I hold pain. God. I

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love you, Clay since the moment
I saw your beautiful eyes and your bud.

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You took my heart with your kind
heart and soul. I do tell

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our story, our arguments, mostly
the funny ones. I couldn't be mad

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at you for long. I missed
the flowers you bring me. I remember

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the day you came home with your
first Spanish sentence, dolce te almo contoo,

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micalzone. Thank you for trying.
I have a voice recording of you

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on my phone. I've listened to
so many times, but for some reason,

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when he spoke Spanish, it sounded
more cute. In two thousand and

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seven, you died, and I
miss you so much. Please help me.

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I know you're the only one who
can understand me always. I can't

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write anymore. Thanks for loving me, and you know what, I love

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you right back. So were you
on the phone with Chandler and heard him

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yelling about being treated like a prisoner
at his house? I think so.

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Yeah, Okay, tell me more
about that. When he wasn't allowed to

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leave and that was after the fall, right when he was recovery slash payback

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two weeks for the money that he
owns them. Yeah, that sounds familiar.

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Okay, was that but he still
talking about being a prisoner. I

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don't know, like recently, just
sounds familiar. That's something that he normally

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complained about. Yeah, like he's
only allowed to leave when his parents let

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him leave, like their house,
their rules, Like if they didn't,

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if they wanted him home, they'd
be like no, you can't done,

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you know. But kind of more
dramatic type thing. Okay, I know

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when like this is a it's a
fragile situation where because they're missing, you

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know, we want to talk good
things. Mmm. But was there was

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there some tension between his Chandler and
his parents the money thing? I mean,

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if he feels like he's a prisoner, he's upset, or they will

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really strict. You think, Mmmm, it's like like I said, whenever

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we're together, his parents would text
them, Like I think it's more of

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just like involved parent type thing,
like they want to know what he's doing,

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where he's at. What's our plan
is usually what they text, like

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what's your plan? Like if they
want him home, like they won't let

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him leave, like, you know, are they like they're having dinner,

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are they really strict? I mean, as are a conversation going on at

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the dinner table, talk about our
days. His mom's like this is I

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can recreate his mom's like Chandler has
news and like like I have news,

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you know, and she's like your
job, you know, like joking over

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the dinner table, you know.
And his is his dad a strict father

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and a lot of dads are really
strict, Like he's strict, but like

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he still makes jokes, laughs with
them, like I said, fishes with

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them. The prisoner thing. I
think he was just being dramatic, Like

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who what kid wouldn't call their parents
a prisoner if they're like not allowed to

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leave often or like they want to
go do something and their parents are like,

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no, you know, like that's
just my perspective. I'm not trying

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to be like oh no, no, no, no, no chance.

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Remember, it's like just sounds like
a normal kid thing to say to me,

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Like, I mean his parents,
like, because if it was up

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to us, we would hang out
with each other every day. Seems claggy,

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but like we're each other's best friends, Like I want to hang out

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with my best friends every day.
But like his parents, you know,

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obviously want to spend family time with
him. So like he wasn't allow so

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we'd be like they won't let me
leave. Sorry, you know, and

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like those two weeks were like a
long time. Okay, so you think

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that probably happened in the last two
weeks. So you said that person common.

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Maybe it was a comment like I'm
not gonna have a time stand for

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that. I don't know. Maybe
it was I don't know if it was

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over FaceTime or something. Okay,
sure, but you didn't think much of

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it. You're just like, Oh, he's just complaining that he's not able

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to leave. Yeah, okay,
I mean he's allowed to vent to me

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for his girlfriend, so I just
thought he was venting, okay, And

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like when you're frustrated. It's better
to get it out there instead of bottle

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it in. Like we've all said
things that we don't mean when we're bad.

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Let's be real, m Okay,
I agree with you. Do you

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guys think it's Chandler or something.
We're just making sure that we're okay because

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you're asking a lot of questions about
it. But that's what my friends that

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are. We're like, Okay,
he's like the only one who lives with

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them, so and like he's the
only when I have a relationship with Like

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I'm not you know, Caitlin,
I'm not. I can't answer questions about

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Mitch right. But it's still like
because like the shock I will feel and

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like I think I would just be
so mentally fucked up if, like I

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found out he did that, Like
it just seems not Chandler at all.

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Yeah, I'm not gonna cry yet, sweaty day. Who's the what's the

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Chandler like that? You know?
What is Chandler? Like the person Chandler

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is too? What is he like? Chandler? My boyfriend loves Star Wars

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fishing, Like I'll pretend to be
man. I'd be like Ohn, what

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I do this time old man pretty
much did I just get locked in?

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No, he got left, Okay, I was like I don't definitely not

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locked in. Probably loves fishing gaming. So when he came over to the

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house today, what was the conversation
like between Mitch and and Chadler? Ah,

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just hey, how are you like? Showing him the keys that he

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found, like taking him upstairs,
like hey, please look around and see

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if I missed anything. So Chandler's
telling Mitchell to look around the house if

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I missed anything. Yeah, Like
do you know, like do you know

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what these keys go to? Like
do you think they're the stairs for the

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cabin? Like Mitch took them with
them to see like they he said Mitch

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was being short with him today,
you know, but they're out in his

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dress, so it makes sense.
And like they're like, did they leave

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you any notes? And like he
showed them the note, They're like do

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they usually leave this? Like is
this a normal thing? He's like no,

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And Mitchell's like, because he had
your appointment one day, right,

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because like yeah, and he was
like yeah, that's exactly why. And

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like they went like I think to
the garage to look at the cars too,

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to see if like they noticed anything
or in like the basement, but

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like I toltally is I just sat
on the couch, gave them their time.

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Brother, Tim, who do you
say is Chandler's closest friend Smith Smith?

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And Smith's back in Kansas? In
Kansas, he was there for like

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a day, stepped and had was
a breakfast or dinner or something, breakfast,

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hung out all day, like we
went swimming in the Wisconsin River,

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showed him around, took them the
Culver's never had before. Smith from here,

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Kansas? No, I know what
I'm saying? Is he from up

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here? Where do they meet at? Video games? Oh? Okay,

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video games? Friends? So Smith
came up to visit because they met video

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gaming, hung out a day and
then pretty much all right, sorry,

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my friends are like where are you? So you don't think there's any way

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that Chandler's involved in the disappearance.
No, I told Liz that, like,

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if it's Chandler, I'm gonna be
severely mentally fucked up after this,

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Like I just I just can't see
it being him, Like if it was,

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would you would you help him?
Fuck? No, I'm sorry,

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excuse my French, Like that's fucking
crazy, Like I could no, Like,

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I'm sorry, Like I can't stay
in blood, Like blood scares me,

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like dead bodies, Like I was
good at dissections, but like that's

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animals. But like killing people,
especially like mister or missus Holderson. I'm

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sorry. That's like different levels are
fucked up. Okay, Like I'm sorry

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that I'm freaking out now, but
like like mm hmm, but no,

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but you had nothing to do with
their disappearance. No, you don't think

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Chandler dead. Do you think anybody
Mitchell? Do you think he would have

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anything to do with it? No? I just can't see people wanting to

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hurt them. Like that's the thing. That's why we're so warried, like

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we don't know who would do this
to them. Like okay, parts of

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us are like wishing like that they're
just at a scene of blowing all their

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money and they're gonna be in debt
or something like but I got gambling before,

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not that I'm aware of. It's
just just a wishful thought. Yeah,

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okay, So a couple of questions. One, what would the possibility

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be for us to take your cell
phone and analyze it. We're trying to

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verify some things that all the time
stamps same, right, So I mean

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you have all the pictures, so
we have a guy that could download it

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while you're here, like you wouldn't
have to leave it with us, and

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he can limit what he mm hmmm
looks at not gonna, lie, I

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don't. We don't have We don't
care about those, Okay, we don't.

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All we care about is the sex
messages from you Chandler, snapchat history,

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any social media stuff, and we're
really just looking for probably would you

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say this first until the first until
today July first, insult today locations on

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what she said. But yeah,
if there's any like inappropriate photos, I

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totally don't care about those. I
just care some. Nope, No,

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we're not gonna. We don't even
want to look at it. They've been

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sent through text stands there. I
don't want to look at it. So

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I don't think animal's got to look
at it. He's gonna just so the

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way that he can do it,
just do it from us certain parameters.

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So July first or second until today, totally go just from that. Everything

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else. We don't go through all
of your stuff. It's just a very

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specific time and the only reason that
we're doing is just to make sure that

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we have all the time stamps.
Don't care about anybody wills promise I care

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about my butte. I don't want
to see it, so promise we're not

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gonna be trying to grab it an
It sounds pretty much Chandler, so oh

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that's fun. Can't send it to
anyone else. Out of all the police

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interrogations I've watched, Kat is one
of the most cooperative interviewees that I've ever

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seen. She agrees to let the
police scan her phone, and she also

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lets them take a DNA swab of
the inside of her cheek. This is

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called a buckle cell sample. Her
only stipulation is that they must first pinky

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promise not to plant evidence in an
attempt to frame her. Well, I

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find out you guys planted evidence and
you broke a pinky promise, I'm gonna

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be very disappointed. Can be disappointed. I don't whiz. I do a

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lot of things, but line is
not one of them. Goodness, the

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tranceler for you guys is oh,
you guys don't know, but not you.

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Yeah, you get to ride back
to them, and at least Chandler,

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I have nothing to hide. So
I was like talking to them.

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I was like, oh, it
just makes zero sense everything, Like there's

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just too many different things thrown in
there, and it's like you just can't

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find how they all connect, you
know. And I'm like, my phone

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helps. My phone helps, you
know, right, it does help,

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cause you take pictures of everything.
M my eyes burned. I'm sure I

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cry so much, like I'm a
huge baby. I'm not gonna lie al

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right, better that you get it
out than ballowed in and pretend everything is

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fine. I see those people.
I just can't keep stuff in like that.

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You know, it's just too hard. I would just like explode or

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something. We all processing's in our
own way. In mine, it's just

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like, please hell be it's very
healthy. Do they know when Chandler is

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gonna be done? Yeah? I
mean I think they're done. Yeah.

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They sounds like he's not quite as
cooperative as you fair any reason why.

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It's probably where you guys are gonna
be like, Chandler did it okay?

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Do you know? I think that's
everyone's fear. Yeah, Like no one

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wants to be accused of killing their
parents. I'm also, I think just

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a very understanding personal I look for
the best and everything, but well,

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right now, because he's not being
so quietative or forthcoming, his parents are

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missing, it looks like they're gonna
take him into custody. I'm serious.

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I don't know what the charges are
yet, but right now it's just going

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to be because of the missing person's
investigation in him lying, lying to the

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detectives. Why he's lying? I
mean, I you know we're all wondering.

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Can I you probably know him best? Why do you? Why do

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you think he's not being truthful?
Doesn't want to depend on him? I

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guess can I talk to him before
he goes? Right now? I think

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they've already walked him down. Why
did you ask? Why? Sorry?

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I just depended on him. Do
you think do you think he could have

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had anything to do with this?
And if he did, do you think

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there's any help in him to disappearance? Did anybody help him? Could anybody

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have helped him? Okay, so
we're just trying to find where his parents

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are. I mean the same thing
is when you have someone that lives in

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the house with them and they're lying
and not cooperating. What is he lying

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about? I don't know, Okay, I don't know, just because we

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we were in with you. We
have other detectives that we're talking to him.

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That's great. I mean, you've
been super cooperative and trying to get

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your phone back. If it's not
gonna be done anytime soon, we can

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get you a ride somewhere. Has
someone picked you up? Can I get

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a ride back to Chandlers? That's
where my car is? And I'm that's

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gonna be something else. I quietly
said that. So they're probably going to

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want to leave the They're gonna leave
your car there? No, at the

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house cause he was in it all
weekend. Mmm, No, I'm sorry,

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and I have places to be.
That's my car. Like, if

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I'm being cooperative, why do you
have to take my car because Chandler's not

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and he was in your car.
So there's chance that there's DNA in there

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that we need to get. But
don't I have to consent to that or

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you need like a court order or
something because it's that his house they're looking

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at. They're looking at writing a
warrant at the house. So if they

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write a warran at the house,
your cars in the driveway they're gonna want

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because he was in there. They're
worried about him. The detectives really think

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that he probably had something, you
know, maybe to do with with the

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disappearance. So right now we had
to investigate all all avenues. And I

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know, I want to know where
they are. You want to know where

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they are? Can I at least
throw my clothes from inside of there?

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Yeah? What do you? What
do you have in there? Bags of

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clothes? Your dirty laundry? Yeah? So there's like no way I can

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tell to him at all. Right, I know it's downstairs. Is that

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where they like jail is? I'll
favor mm say, have you heard this

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way? Okay? Sort, So
there's no way you could talk to him.

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Oh, I guess he'll be able
to probably use someone at some point.

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Right now? How long are they
gonna hold time? Yesterday? Thursday?

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We all depends on when he sees
the judge. I had to see

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the judge you get out. Could
be tomorrow, it could be after that.

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I think I can go. I
can't just see him. I'm sorry

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to they tell you anything else?
I can? I not know. No,

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I'm actually want to do something else
real quick? That much? That

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much does anyone told his brother?
Don't know? Are these expecting us?

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Let me find out the detectives leave
the room and Kat is left alone with

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only her thoughts and a cream soda
flavored lollipop to keep her company. And

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although it's clear through Kat's jailhouse phone
calls with Chandler that she's nowhere near to

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coming to terms with the facts that
Chandler murdered his parents for the first time,

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the gravity of the situation sets in. Bart and Krista Halderson are likely

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dead, and her boyfriend is the
lead suspect. The room is empty except

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for Kat, but the camera continues
to record her movements. She sinks into

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the beige couch and quietly cries to
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the daylight. We can try.
I don't know like what he's so,

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we have different areas, so I
don't know where he is in the booking

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process. I don't know what he's
on Suicide Watch, I don't know.

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I don't know any of that.
We just have different premers. So if

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he's cool, then we can give
him your number. Yeah, super hardy

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h. Don't think you did that. I just want to talk too much.

407
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The Dugs are a dark Side dark
stage. I'm glad you're home.

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Get the hell out of my house. In Jesus' name, I pray, m hm