Feb. 19, 2025
S11, Chapter 20: She Posed as a Romantic Interest (Interview w/ Lisa G)
We talked about her in-person visits to...
We talked about her in-person visits to Dodge Correctional Institution to visit Chandler Halderson, Chandler's confession to her, and the escalation of their "relationship."
This is my full 1.5 hour conversation with Lisa G.
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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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He would call me, you know, once or twice a
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week when he would get his free calls. I knew
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not to he won't talk on the recording. That's why
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I made That's why I visited him in person. The
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first day I sat down with him, he said, I
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hope you know I won't hurt you and I won't
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kill you. I think everyone has a bit of a
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fascination with the dark side.
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I myself, Wallis love the dark side as well. I
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think it's something that everyone secretly longs for.
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Alves was like six months into it. He's like, oh,
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I love you. I went and visited him in person
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and he has he admitted to me that he did
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do it.
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The Darks Darks Darks. In the last episode, I talked
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about how I found a forum through the website Read
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It where I put out an open call to interview
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anyone associated with the Chandler Halderson case and I got
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no replies except for a couple of Chandler's ex romantic
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interests who eventually backed out. Well, that's until I was
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contacted by a woman named Lisa g. On August twenty second,
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twenty twenty four, she messaged.
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Me, hey.
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I responded, and Chandler Alderson's read it. I'm willing to interview,
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not for fame or profit, just to say what I
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learned over two years was diced on this sub before too.
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Here's some proof.
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She sent me a variety of screenshots and a picture
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of her and Chandler Holderson. We began conversation, she messaged
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me back.
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I haven't spoke out previously because I was getting death
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threats to my Facebook and Instagram and I was doxsed.
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I've seen what people thought of me and didn't know
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how to address it or it would have blown my cover.
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To him, I see there's someone sharing letters. I do
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believe it was one of his celli's. He's in the
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same unit as Chris Watts as well. I had blocked
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Chandler a while back. Oh no, I was never in love.
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It was a ruse for my thesis project. It had
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to be a current case, and back then his trial
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was fresh in my mind. I'm a trial nerd. She
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does have other women, I believe writing him and ment
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to I do have information and I'm willing to do
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an interview with you. I'd like to put out what
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I know and found out and clear my name. Thank
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you for reaching me. Appreciate it too.
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When I finally got Lisa on the phone, we talked
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for nearly an hour and a half, and I have
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to say it was a rather strange interview. It might
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have been the connection, and there really is a very
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good chance of that, but it often felt like I
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couldn't get a question out before Lisa would respond. That
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could also be the result of being nervous, which I
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could understand. But at the end of the day, Lisa
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provided some fascinating information on Chandler. She even discusses how
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he confessed to her the crime. This interview left me
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with as many answers as questions. I wanted to know
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if I could read a copy of Lisa's thesis. I
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had questions about the romance, the fake romance that she
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had with Chandler. I wanted to know more about police
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sending her into interview rooms to interview potential suspects. And
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I've already reached out to Lisa. Her number change, but
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I've now got her new number and I'm trying to
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see if maybe she'd be willing to do a short
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follow up interview, but for now, let's start at the
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beginning my conversation with Lisa g Okay. So, do you
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remember the first time you heard about the Chandler case?
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Was it during I think the trial?
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I got an email from Court TV about an upcoming
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trial coming up in January, and that was for his trial.
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So I had already been watching trials, and so I
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saw it was a parasite and so I'm like, oh,
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I'm going to have to watch. So I watched every
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single day of the trial.
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Oh wow, you watched it live? Well.
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I got the email probably in December from court TV
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and my email like it was before Christmas time, I remember,
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and then his trials started on that January.
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Watch it all lot? Was what was happening?
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I watched a lot of those. It was happening.
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Yes, wow? And then like, what took it to the
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next level? You were going in doing that?
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I was actually in the yes, yes, I was doing
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a thesis paper and it had to be on a
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current trial or current case.
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It was actually six weeks of.
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Work and parts of this paper and his trial had
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just ended, but he hadn't been a sentence yet, And
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since that was so fresh in my head and I
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watched everything, I did use his case as for my THESS,
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and part of the thesis was the evidence.
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So I had toally be able to pick one.
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So I used the fireplace, and I had to go
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into the THESS and kind of like break it down,
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explain it into like psychology terms with the criminal justice
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and kind of say, like why it could only have
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been him?
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Can you talk a little bit more about the fireplace
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as far as you said you had to pick one?
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Yes, so there's one piece of evidence.
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So I used the fireplace because during the trial it
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stuck out to me and I was the forensic expert
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broke down the like just how it all came to
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being caught, like the bone being in the fireplace with
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the you know, I kind of know a little bit more,
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but the fireplace. The forensic expert, she broke that down
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really well. So was able to piggyback off what I've
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learned in school and then be able to use what
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she said and then utilize what I learned so from
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the trial, which was the parts of the ash the
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pieces going down to the ash trap through to the basement,
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of the fireplace in those little pieces of evidence, and
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like all those all those different pieces of evidence being
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in there, it's just in that one alone evidence is
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just already.
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You know, without other evidence of like the.
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Luminol and the basement and all the other stuff going on.
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That was what stood out to me the most when
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I watched the trial, So I used that fireplace, and
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that expert witness was really well first on her knowledge.
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That's so interesting you you mentioned that, because that's the
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exact point we are in our coverage where actually the
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next episode is going to be ashes Dashes. We're going
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into the ash trap and exam, you know. Listening to
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Christina Figueroa, so I know, I remember her name listening
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to her footage so much in the last few days.
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But yeah, she does such an excellent job of explaining
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it in you know, understandable terms.
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Especially for somebody who's not in school like me.
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So let's I think she explains it very well for
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people who was just like regular people who watch trial.
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Since I watched it, since I am did get a
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degree and I do this for a degree, I just
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you know, I've been watching it kind of understood it.
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She was saying, but I feel like she really breaks
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it down for the public very well.
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Yeah, absolutely, Okay, so the paper, it was like a
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component of the paper.
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Yeah, so I needed to eat. That was for my graduation.
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So part of the paper when I was writing it
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was I decided I would try to reach out to Chandler.
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And when I decided to reach out, I kept going
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back and forth in my head if I should or not.
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But because my detectives have utilized me to get information
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in the past, I thought what harm could it do.
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I didn't realize that the public and stuff was going
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to actually find my name and put my name out
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there and make it more to assume things. So I sent,
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I wrote him, and I wrote him first April fifteenth,
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at twenty twenty two. I didn't graduate until May, and
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so that was I needed to do that as part
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of my graduation processing. So I wrote him on the
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text behind because there at Dodge they cannot receive like mail.
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You have to send it through a third party, and
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I didn't know if I would hear from him.
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I did not hear from him right away. I remember
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it was around.
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Easter weekend and I sent a second like little thing
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just kind of like, hey, you know, I don't know
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if you want to talk, but here's my phone number.
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I figured if another and make got my information or someone,
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I could just block the prison or call.
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And have them block me or something.
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So I received a call in the next following probably
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that weekend Saturday Sunday in April twenty twenty two, and
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it was from Dodge Correctional and it was the ICs
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Solutions and it was Chandler calling me. It's so when
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you call, it's like press press five and you can
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block people and stuff like that. So I was really
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nervous because I was like, oh gosh, I don't know
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what I was supposed to say, beause I didn't really
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know if he was going to contact me back, especially
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being like that kind of I've never reached out to
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someone on my own and like that I've seen on
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TV or like trial. It's always been like my cases
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are like local Novada cases, so they've really not I've
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never had to be in the public, so I just
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didn't really because I've been into been watching trials and everything.
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I just you know, kind.
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Of utilize how I how the detectives had trained me
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to speak. When I speak to suspects, and so I
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started off and I was very He did question me
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for the first couple times of calling me.
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He asked me on the first call, oh are you
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trying to do?
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Because I said I was in criminal justice, like I
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was finishing my degree. He asked me if I was
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going to be what did he say? Criminal minds. I've
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not personally watched that Netflix show, however, that's where it
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ties in. A lot of the things that he tried
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to do to hide this crime was based off television
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shows and off of what he saw. I'm like, well,
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I've never seen that show. I do know that obviously
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that's kind of like serial killer profile type thing. But
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I couldn't let him know this kind of stuff. So
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I was like, oh no, I was just reaching out,
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you know, I watched your child and I kind of
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kept it like very like that. So he would call me,
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you know, once or twice a week when he would
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get his free calls, and then he would start.
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He started.
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I didn't give him my address right away, but I
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did give him my address, and he would send me
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letters here and there. He can send letters, but like
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I said, I have to send it through either electronic
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communication or to the third party, which is still get
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sent to Dodge and they.
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Printed out for him.
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In the beginning, when I wrote him, other people were
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writing him, so he was getting a lot of hate letters,
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he was getting fan letters, he was getting like just people,
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just like random stuff. In the beginning, he did lie
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to me. He told me nobody else was talking to
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him and stuff like that, and that this comes into
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play because it's going to come into his psychology. So
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in the beginning, yeah, we were just friends, and like
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I talked to him like as I was just his
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friend and didn't try to get information from him because
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I knew he wasn't going to say anything over anything.
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He is trying to appeal and he does hopefully he
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thinks he will get out and thinks hopefully one day
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there's gonna be a legislation change in this and all
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this stuff. So I knew not to he won't talk
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on the recording. That's why I made That's why I
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visited him in person. So I just started doing like
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the little zoom they had, like free zoom visits. I
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go on here and there and go visit with him again.
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Very just very basic stuff. He told me how he
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grew up. He told me a lot of stuff, like
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about his family vacations, Bob Bart and Christa, about Mitch,
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about his grandma. Another thing is it was always positive stuff.
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I never heard anything. He was never abused.
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Mitchell had good grades in school, and he used to
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give his brother rides to him from school because he
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didn't like to drive Mitch, and that's this is allegedly
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