Feb. 10, 2025
S11, Chapter 19: Interview with a Bunkmate
In November of 2023, I put out an open call to interview anyone who...
In November of 2023, I put out an open call to interview anyone who had any relation to the Halderson case. At first the lines were quiet. Then I made contact with a man who goes by the name "Wallace."
He claimed to have been bunkmates with Chandler back in county jail. I verified this man's identity and, surely enough, his claim checks out.
Here is our nearly two hour long conversation.
Correspondence:
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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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There's a series of forums that I've been frequenting since
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the creation of the website that they're hosted on reddit
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dot com. These forums vary in everything from recipes to
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true crime cases, and of course there is an entire subreddit,
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which is what the forums are called, dedicated to our
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one and only Chandler Holderson. I noticed that there were
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a couple of people posting on that website on that
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forum claiming to be ex romantic lovers of Chandler. I
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reached out to the two or three accounts and offered
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the chance to do an interview with these people, and
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all three of those fell through the cracks. I got
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no response after one or two messages. Back then, in
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November of twenty and twenty three, which shows just how
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long we've been on this case, I put out an
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open call for anyone who knew Chandler and would be
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open for an interview to contact me. I had our
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email address and a little bit of information about the podcast.
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I did not get any bites. Then, in May of
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twenty and twenty four, someone made a post on that
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forum titled quote.
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So I was Chandler's bunkie in Dane County jail.
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The post went on to say, quote.
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I know I'm going to regret this, but if you
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have anything within reason you want to ask, semi constructively.
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I have no delusions about this being read it and
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all about my jail bestie, I'll answer. They do, however,
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reserve the right to remain silent LBVs.
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That last acronym apparently means a laughing but very serious.
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This account went on to make two more posts in
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this forum with five pictures of various jail correspondents with
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Chandler Alderson. These letters that this person had been sending
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back and forth to Chandler seemed legitimate, and I reached
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out to them to see if they would be open
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for an interview, and they were. This person did request
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to remain anonymous, so the name we used during this
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interview as Wallace. They also provided additional correspondence to me
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privately outside of what was posted on Reddit, that verified
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beyond a reasonable doubt that this person had indeed spent
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time in jail with Chandler Alderson. Wallace had quite a
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bad call off during this interview. So I tried to
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edit all of that out, but there are a few
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that I had to keep in just for continuity's sake.
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This interview is much longer than the Andrew Smith interview
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I did. I had so many more questions for Wallace
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than I did for Smitty, and part of that was
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because Smitty had already been interviewed by Nick Rakeita, another
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YouTube lawyer, and you can look up his entire interview
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with Rakeita. They got into a ton of stuff, and
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also there was the trial testimony that we got from Andrew.
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Now I'm going to go ahead and play you this interview,
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but I do want to say something first, which is
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as the interview progressed, I kind of found it frustrating
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to talk to someone who was essentially a friend to Chandler.
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And you might sense a little bit of that frustration
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in my voice and in my tone. I think, personally
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just me that until Chandler seeks redemption for his actions,
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he is not a man to be friends with. As
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you know, in this podcast, we don't really pile on
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the offenders with name calling and that kind of thing.
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It's just not my style. But I do believe that
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the crimes Chandler committed in this lifetime will take extensive
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work to come back from, if it's even possible at all.
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And it pained me to hear someone who I felt
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like I could relate to this guy choose to put
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this person in his circle, spend emotional energy corresponding with
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this person, not necessarily in his close circle. But I
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feel there is an evil that surrounds Chandler, and that
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evil will be there until the day he chooses to
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confess and work towards making some kind of amends for
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his crime. If evil does exist, then Chandler surely is
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the human embodiment of it. Cunning, baffling, powerful evil. But
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I also understand Wallace's side of this story. When you
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are in the pen speak, you're surrounded by people who
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have made mistakes, and if you get into the habit
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of judging people for those mistakes, you will soon find
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yourself without any friends. And that's one thing you cannot
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afford when you're in such a situation. You need friends
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to survive, especially in a jail setting. But that's enough
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of me blabbering. Let me get right into it. The
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interview with Chandler Holderson's bunk mate starts now, really, okay,
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so you want me to call you Wallace? Is that right?
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Wallace is good? Sure, and you can.
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Call me TZ. That's basically my O that came from
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the film industry, and it kind of just carried over Sure, yeah,
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let's see and then you said, okay, well, at first
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you said maybe not a lot of questions about you,
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but then you said, maybe I could. What's uh, what
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do you think.
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We'll kind of feel it out. I mean, I think
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it would only be sure that there's a little bit
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of background about me. I mean, yeah, of course you're
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gonna mention that you vented me and everything. I'm I'm
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I'm sure a little bit of background wouldn't wouldn't be
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too much of a of a thing, but obvious if
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I feel if I feel like the boundary is pushed
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a little bit, I won't be afraid to say no,
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or you know, in retrospect, I'll say, hey, let's keep
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that out of there.
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So yeah, okay, that's that's actually works perfect. You actually
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stole the words out of my mouth, because that's one
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thing I've learned works really well, even though I've only
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done a few interviews. But it seems to be. I
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don't want to assume boundaries because I might miss out
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on a question that's very interesting. So if you do, comfort, yeah,
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just let me know. And it's no big deal. Okay,
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Well let's get started. So you go by Wallace and
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how we came across each other as I saw you
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post a thread on Reddit's saying you were a broom
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of Chandlers in the day drill a bunky. Yeah, yeah,
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do you want to just start there and just tell
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us whatever you want to about that?
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Yeah. I was incarcerated at Dane County Jail at that time.
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I believe it was around November of twenty one. All
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through twenty two and a couple months in I had
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gone through like two or three bunkies because there's you know,
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there's there's a high turnaround with a lot of peel
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holds and short timers and whatnot. So I was a
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bottom bunk and I was getting a new top bunk
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and this, uh, one day, this kid walks in a
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little goffey you kind of had a little bit of
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a bit of a hipster mustache on him and kind
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of struck me as a little ned Flanders asking I
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kind of chuckled a little bit, and you know, traditionally
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when a new guy comes into the pod and you know,
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everybody immediately scopes him outside and whatnot. So I knew
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that I had an open bunk, so I was trying
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to kind of draw the card for the new bunkie.
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So I saw him head off to my bunk and
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that game game like two or two or so man
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to kind of, you know, kind of situate himself. And
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so I walked back there and I have intended a
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fist bump. This is the tail end of COVID era,
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so social distancing is completely impossible while in jail, especially
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in a dorm like atmosphere. There's twenty five bunks and
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so there's about fifty people in each each pod, so
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you know, it's pretty passed. So I went over there,
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offered him fifth bump, and I said, hey, my name
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is redacted Wallace, and uh, they said, hey, how going,
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And then then he kind of struck me with something
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really funny. After we talked for a couple of seconds
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about just mating stuff, he explained where he was from,
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because he was coming from what's known as I guess
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would be considered the secure side of the jail where
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it's the old side of the jail where there's actual
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cells and it's the disciplinary housing and or housing for
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people with violent cases. And he had petitioned the share
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for the warden or sergeants to kind of give him
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an okay because he didn't have any conduct reports or
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anything to come over to the general population side where
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things aren't as strict. It's a lot more free flowing,
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a lot larger dayroom and whatnot. So he came in,
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he moved in, then he hit me with the old
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you know who I am, right, And I thought it
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was I thought it was funny because he wasn't doing
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it to be copier or anything, but it was just amusing.
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And I'm looking at him and I'm like, oh, you're
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that guy on the news, right, So that was kind
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of my first interaction flipped the guy and.
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On the news at that point a fair bit.
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I mean, the news is always kind of a saying
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that's on at least one or two of the chance
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one or two of the TVs. There's three TVs for
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pod and you know, some people keep it on Sports Center,
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and then there are some you know, antiquated racial divides
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with some of the other TVs. But what are you
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gonna do at Jale? But usually four o'clock the major
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news news is that happened throughout the day, and somebody
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is usually watching him. So I knew it was the
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top of the town. I'd seen it in the paper,
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but I really didn't pay too much of mine to
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it because I never knew I was going to run
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into the guy. He's like, Okay, I got my own
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thing going on this guy, whatever the fark happened whatever, right,
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Definitely I recognized his faith after he kind of said that,
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and it kind of kind of jogged something to me,
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So I was like, oh, not, well, I oh cool,
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and I guess what I said, but not in a
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way where it was glorified or anything, but it was
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kind of like, oh yeah.
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Yeah, before we get too deep into Chandler, kind of
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like we were talking about, can you tell us how
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long did you say you were in there in twenty
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twenty one? And maybe just how you whatever you're comfortable sharing,
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got to that.
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Yeah. I'm originally from Milwaukee, and I had I was
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working in Madison from time to time by contract and whatnot,
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and I had picked up a case a new case
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in medicine that I completely intended to fight. So yeah,
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I at that point, I believe I was in it
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for about two and a half months. I believe the
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pod was for a there's several pods, but it was
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a fifty man pod and as was right around when
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he came in. He he wandered into my life that way.
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Can you uh, you know, we can cut this part out,
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but do you want to talk? I noticed your point
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puts it on Reddit about heroin being a hell of
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a drug, hepsy, Do you want to share any of that?
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Yeah, I guess I could. Yeah, Uh, heroin is one
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hell of a drug. And I'm glad I put that
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behind me for for quite a while now, for for
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a number of years. And yeah, thank you, thank you.
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And you know, uh, I had a very dark period
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in my life where two extremely close people of people
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to me died and I spiraled into a very dark
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period and I just let my my addictions go completely
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and ended up ended up doing stupid things for money,
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and I totally regretted. And I'm just happy that's over.
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And yeah, glad to move on and keep it moving,
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as they say.
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Yeah, definitely, And you said one other thing. It says
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you're on your Reddit profile it said found out I'm
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dying in real life? Are you okay? Are you gonna
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all through with.
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Yeah? No, I I that was okay, Well that was updated.
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That was that's that's my ship post account. And that
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was a ship post account that I created before I
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went in in twenty twenty one. I have it updated
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the bio or anything. I just kind of logged in
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and ended up going down the channel or rabbit hole
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a little bit to see what people were actually saying
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about them. So, yeah, I am happy to say that
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I'm not dying iron Ralan. The reports to be dying
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have been greatly exaggerated.
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Okay, well that's good to hear. Well, yeah, can you
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tell us a little bit about what's uh, you know, like,
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so you got this feeling like I kind of want
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to check on Chandler. Did you just discover the subredit
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last night? Had you been on there before? And like
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what what pushed you to be Like, Okay, I want
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to share a few letters and do ama on there.
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Well, I remember talking with him while we were together.
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You got to understand that you're around people twenty four
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to seven, like in real life you. You know, you
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run into friends, you talk to him online once in
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a while, you text them, you run into them for
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coffee or something, and then you catch up. You know,
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there's no real catching up in jail because everything happens
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in real time and you get to witness all that.
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So conversations tend to, you know, go all directions. So
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eventually the topic was, well, you know, I'm getting out
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