S8, Chapter 2: Chasing Tori

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I'm Eleanor, and I support big
Brothers and Big Sisters because our mentoring model

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works. Tapes from the Dark Side
contains descriptions of violence and sexuality. Listener

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discretion is advised. I didn't want
to do another Tory for Fun episode,

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but the night I was publishing Tory
for Fun, I came across something that

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I can't ignore, and quite simply, that's Eleanor hunting Hoppy's profile on the

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incest Fetish website in which she first
made contact with the FBI agent. I

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don't believe if any of this information
has yet been covered by any mainstream news

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outlet, or any news outlet,
blog or website for that matter. I

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believe that until now, this information
was only known to two people, the

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FBI agent and Eleanor, and I
guess you could say the other members of

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this website. I'm not going to
tell you the name of the website,

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and I'm not going to tell you
how I found it because the content,

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although it's only words, is beyond
disturbing and I don't want to share any

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more than is necessary. I'll just
say that I had a moment that was

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similar to the moment in season one. If you've heard that one where I

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was searching for the Doctor Phil episodes
featuring Mark RedWine. It took hours and

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hours of digging and I had basically
given up. And a similar situation happened

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just a couple of nights ago with
the Tory for Fun account. Now I

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have to hake back something I said
in the last episode. I mentioned a

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Twitter profile named Tory for Fun that
I thought might be Eleanor's profile that turned

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out to be incorrect. After going
back to the very beginning of when that

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account was first created, which took
a few hours of scrolling and reading every

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single tweet, it does appear now
that the person behind that Twitter account was

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in no way related to Eleanor.
Now that's not to say that the user

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name toriy for Fun is in no
way related to Eleanor, because we do

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know that that is the screen name
that she used on a messaging app to

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contact who would turn out to be
an FBI agent. I also had one

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more false positive, which was an
adult video website that is quite popular and

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hosts legal videos. I found a
hit for a her name Tory for Fun,

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but it turned out to be a
woman located in the UK and although

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the woman in the videos I found
never showed her face, at the very

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end of one of the clips,
she spoke and I heard a very clear

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British accent, which we know Eleanor
did not have a British accent. Now

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we'll get into what I believe is
where at least was Eleanor's account and the

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content it contains. Now, before
I get into this, I want to

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say all of this is alleged.
None of this has proven, and no

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one named in this podcast, in
this episode or in our last episode,

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has been proven guilty in a court
of law, and they should be considered

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innocent until that happens. Also,
I would please ask you never attempt to

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harass or even contact anyone who's named
on this podcast. I do this for

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educational and entertainment purpose, and it's
not to promote harassment or bullying of any

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kind. I also want to make
one quick note that this episode's going to

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be a little bit different. As
you've probably already noticed, I'm talking a

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little more free form, but I
have gone back and edited things so that

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I'm not just rambling. Now let's
get into it. On February twenty eighth,

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two and twenty three, an account
was made named Tito Tory from a

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female in central Virginia. The profile
picture used is of two adult feet,

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and on the left and right side
of the adult feet are two pairs of

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smaller feet children's feet. On March
seventh, twenty twenty three, Tito Tori

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made her first post. She was
replying to a welcome thread which said staff

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have decided to post this sticky as
a chance for everyone to say hello.

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Whether you have been here for a
while or you're a new member, drop

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in and introduce yourself to the rest
of us. On behalf of staff,

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Tito Torri posted, Hey, I'm
a single mom raising two daughters in a

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very open mother daughter relationship. I'm
hoping to connect with similar families in Virginia

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through this forum. Would be amazing
to find a father figure to make our

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family complete. Upon reading this post, my heart immediately was crushed because the

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one thing I couldn't confirm in the
last episode was that Eleanor had been abusing

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her own daughters. And obviously I
still can't confirm that for sure, but

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the words very open mother daughter relationship
makes my skin crawl. There are also

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two more statements that would match this
to Eleanor, the fact that she's located

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in Virginia, in the fact that
she is seeking a father figure for the

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quote family. As we know,
Eleanor had just divorced her husband and so

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this fits. User and moderator Salice
writes, welcome. Take your time to

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look around here and see how things
are posted, but certainly don't forget to

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read the rules. The rules and
good to know stuff. You can take

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a look here a link is posted. Also, take a look in each

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subforum at the stickies, but above
all, enjoy your stay here. Tito

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Tory made their second post on March
ninth, two and twenty three. They

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were replying to a user named fam
Daddy for love. Their profile picture is

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a sign for you of a man
named Marquis de Sade, who is a

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French noble in the eighteenth century.
He was also an author known for writing

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erotic fiction that depicted sexual sceneans emphasis
on violence, suffering, sex, child

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crime, and blasphemy. Marquis Assad
is the originator of the word sadism.

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Sam Daddy for love rights. Well, I know this is nothing new to

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the folks on here of what most
men are looking for, but I'm going

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to put it out once more.
We myself and my two daughters are in

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search of a single mom or a
single female that understands our family dynamic and

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is looking to join a loving,
caring family, and we would like to

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chat to see where it goes.
If you read our bio, you will

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understand what we're looking for. I'll
give more details about our family and lifestyle,

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and eventually you would like to video
chat so my daughters can get to

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see you and get to know you. This will also filter out all the

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men posing as females, so if
you're interested, contact us. We're in

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the Pacific Northwest, or our time
zone may be different than yours. Hope

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to hear from you. I clicked
on fam daddy for Love's profile and this

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was the description. We're a family. I'm a single dad, widower with

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two daughters. We're in search of
a single mom or nice loving female that

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wants to have kids of her own
and is open minded, that understands and

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wants to be part of our family
dynamic. When I was younger, I

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can remember my first cousin. She
became active with me. Later, my

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niece and nephew finally got married and
wife and I had a daughter and that's

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when we became active, and since
then I became a widower. Writing in

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response to fam Daddy for Love's post, Tito Tory writes, I would love

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to chat. On March seventh,
in response to a thread titled anyone into

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true Incest, Tito Tory wrote quote
real in Virginia would love to find a

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dad daughter in a current relationship nearby
too. On March seventh, Tito Tore

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responded to the post forty nine year
old male seeking to have an incest family.

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This was posted by David Forrester,
who said located on the east coast

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of the US and seeking multiple women
to have a real relationship with all the

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trimmings including having and raising a family
together and it being an incest family.

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I'm a polygamist, so any woman
interested would have to be accepting of that.

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Tito Tore wrote quote, let's chat. Also on March seventh, in

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response to the question in the general
discussion board preferred family member, Tito Tore

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writes, step brother and whichever male
cousin he shared me with, and I

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always loved the training sessions led by
my stepfather. This is another moment that

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crushed me inside. It's the reality
lady of child sexual predators. Not every

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child who was abused goes on to
abuse others, but almost every single child

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abuser, without exception, was abused
as a child. That being said,

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one thing we should make abundantly clear
is that just because you were abused,

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it doesn't give you a free pass
to abuse others. Now, this could

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be roleplay by Tito Tory, but
there's a very high likelihood that it's true.

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I haven't spent a ton of time
searching for it, but I am

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quite curious to know who Eleanor Hunton
Hoppi's stepfather was. In our next post,

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we get an explanation for the Tito
tor user name. Replying to a

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post that says, how did you
come up with a user name you use

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on this forum, Tito Tory writes, I was having a long day and

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could have used a titos and soda
instead. I found the site and I

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definitely improved my mood. And then
moments later she writes, and my avatar

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is a pick of a family in
bed together. Before I read this next

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one, I want you to try
to remember in the previous episode, when

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the woman identified in the court documents
as Eleanor stated that she loved anal sex

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in response to a post by John
five to six h eight that says,

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just read an article that said only
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It was an article about what women
want in a relationship. I've been

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married twice and both wives loved anal
and both were the ones who first suggested

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it. I must be phenomenally lucky
to hit two women of the million,

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or that statement in the article is
just wrong. So this seems like the

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perfect place to ask how many women
really do enjoy, not just tolerate,

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anal all responses by men and women
appreciate it to where he wrote just three

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words, I love it. In
response to a post that says quote nudity

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at home question mark, Tito Tori
writes, quote for us, it was

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really easy to just recognize nudity.
We all sleep naked, and when we

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wake up in the morning, we
just don't put our clothes on. It's

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just pretty easy, and let's the
rhythm of our day in our relationship flow.

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The last thread I found that Tito
Tori posted in was titled post your

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ID code here for chat. I
was expecting to find the user name Tori

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for Fun, which I actually did
find the Tory for Fun screen name in

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an entirely separate thread, But in
this thread, instead of a user name,

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the Tito Tori account posted a string
of sixty six seemingly random letters and

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numbers. When I look through the
rest of this thread, every single user

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was posting a different version of the
sixty six character long phrase. I figured

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it had to be some kind of
user name or code, but I had

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no idea what too. I consider
myself fairly savvy as far as Internet goes,

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at least for a millennial. I
know pretty much every encrypted chat application,

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or at least I thought I did. It turns out there's actually one

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I didn't know about, And if
you're worried about keeping your chats encrypted,

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this one seems quite secure. That
is, unless you're talking to an FBI

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agent. I decided to download it
and make an account just for the hell

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of it. What happens when you
make an account is you get a seed

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phrase. It's a series of thirteen
random words. For example, when I

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made mine, a few eye got
or cactus, yellow, upgrade, tipsy

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offend totally random words that essentially becomes
your user name. It would be extremely

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hard to crack a code that long. We're talking a supercomputer working non stop

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for thousands, hundreds of thousands of
hours, essentially impossible. Once you log

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in with your seed phrase, you
can choose to create a new conversation.

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The app will then generate a one
time unique sixty six character code. When

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you share that conversation code with someone
else, they can initiate a end to

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end secure encrypted conversation. Similarly to
the seed phrase, sixty six random letters

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and numbers would be essentially impossible to
crack. You can crack a seven digit

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password in about one minute. You
can crack an eight digit password in about

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one hour, and then it increases
exponentially nine digits, three days, ten

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digits, seven months, eleven digits, forty one years, fourteen digits.

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We're talking nine million years, so
you can imagine sixty six digits. We're

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getting into the length of the existence
of the universe. Now, just to

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try it out, I copy and
pasted Tito tories sixty six unique character chat

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ID code, the one that lets
you initiate a conversation. I pasted it

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into the app and it connected and
said send a message to start the conversation,

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I didn't send a message, and
I immediately deleted the application. I'd

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just like to make a quick note
to that just because you have an application

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like this doesn't mean you're guilty of
a crime. In fact, journalists who

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are working on stories, especially in
countries where their government might be less tolerant,

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often use these kinds of applications.
But as supposed mother of two who

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occasionally did fundraising work for children's organizations, not so much. In my digging,

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I found something else that I think
you would be interested in. It's

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something I have been searching for basically
since I discovered this case, and that

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was to find some kind of video
or audio clip of Eleanor. I think

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it's important that we remember that the
people who commit these horrific crimes are human

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beings. They exist in a society
that we live in, a society that

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we created, in a society that
we perpetuate. It would be far too

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convenient to say they exist somewhere outside
of us. It's like the person sitting

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in traffic who doesn't recognize that they
are part of traffic. I truly believe

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that to rid ourselves of this kind
of evil in our society. We have

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to recognize that it comes from within
us. Now, you might say I'm

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not capable of something like this,
and maybe this specific a crime. You

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are not capable of that, but
you are capable of absolutely horrible things.

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You have the potential within you to
commit evil, horrific crimes, and maybe

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you're just not ready to acknowledge that, and that's okay. But if you

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have a strong visceral reaction to what
I just said, I would encourage you

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to reflect on it. Now.
The location of this video where I found

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it, was on Facebook, and
it's disturbing where I found it, which

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is on the Big Brothers and Big
Sisters of America Facebook page. The title

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says, hear more about why Eleanor, our interim director of Philanthropy, believes

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that our work creates limitless possibilities for
our new mentees. I'm Eleanor, and

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I support Big Brothers and Big Sisters
because our mentoring model works. It's simple

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and effective. It's a lot easier
to believe in yourself if you have somebody

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else that believes in you. I
hope that ever this season, you'll take

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a peek in our organization and consider
donating. You can find out more information

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on our website www. Blue Ridge
big stat Org, or please check out

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our Giving Tuesday campaign hashtag Seville Mentors. We'll be right back. I want

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to end this episode with the last
piece of information I found on Eleanor Hunton

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Hoppy. This information was gathered by
the Daily Progress dot com in an article

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written by Hawes Spencer, and it's
about Eleanor Hoppy's previous arrest. If you

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recall, in the last episode,
we very briefly touched on an incident in

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two and nineteen when Eleanor Hunton Hoppy
was found guilty in absentia of undressing where

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prohibited. She appealed the case and
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time we didn't know anything else about
this incident. But now Chesterfield County court

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records revealed that Eleanor's arrest came at
the same day and time as the arrest

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of another man named Andrew Hersey.
Andrew Hersey is a photographer who was once

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based in Charlottesville. He was charged
with quote unauthorized commercial enterprise and again that

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was in the same state park that
Eleanor was arrested in. The park is

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called Pocahontas State Park and is located
in Chesterfield, Virginia. It's not far

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from Richmond, and it's only about
an hour and twenty minutes from where Eleanor

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lived in Charlottesville. I found Andrew
Herssey's website, and on the surface,

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he sounds like a fairly normal artistic
type, retired sixty three years old,

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occasionally taking a few photography jobs on
the side. Now, the first red

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flag I saw, and it was
a soft red flag, was that Andrew

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Herssey does artistic nude photography. There's
nothing wrong with that, but it got

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me curious to find out if there
were any skeletons in Andrew's closet, specifically

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if anything might link back to Eleanor. Now, in that respect, I

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didn't find anything, but I did
find something huge in Andrew's past. In

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twenty sixteen, an undergraduate student at
the University of Virginia applied to take part

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in a nude modeling session that paid
around fifteen to twenty dollars per hour.

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These sessions were conducted by defendant Andrew
Hersey, who was employed at the Freelan

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Art Museum on the campus of University
of Virginia. This lawsuit was dismissed by

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a federal judge because the complaint was
filed outside the two year statute of limitations,

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which I believe is unfortunate because the
allegations against Andrew Hersey are quite simply

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discussed. Again, I want to
state everyone named in this podcast is innocent

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until proven guilty. I found this
court document in the case of Jane Doe,

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who I will not name even though
she's named in the court case against

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the University of Virginia. The plaintiff, Jane Doe argued that the court should

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equitably toll the statute of limitations because
the University of Virginia concealed evidence relevant to

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her claim and because she had been
incapacitated during the filing period. The memorandum

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describes how Jane Doe planned a modeling
session for October twenty first of twenty and

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sixteen. Andrew Hersey told the Jane
Doe that he had already booked a model

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for the group drawing session, and
instead he invited her to a quote private

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session. She agreed and arrived at
Hershey's studio near the UVA grounds. They

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discussed her background and expectations for the
modeling session. The Jane Doe under began

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posing, initially sensing nothing out of
the ordinary. She says that the first

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sign of something wrong was when she
had her back turn to Andrew and she

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thought that he might have taken a
picture of her on his phone. Then

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he asked her to quote sit down
with her legs spread open and one hand

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on her stomach. She complied,
believing it was a normal part of the

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session, but then Andrew Hersey began
trying to engage in sexual conversation with her.

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Jane Doe repeatedly attempt to steer the
discussion back to art. She says

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that she sat nude on the stage, stunned and frightened. He then asked

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her to move to the couch for
some reclined positions. He moved her body

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in different positions, placed her hand
on top of a regina, which she

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moved to cover herself from his gaze. Then Andrew Hersey disrubbed himself completely naked,

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saying quote, I hope you don't
mind. I really prefer to draw

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while I'm naked. He then continued
to draw and made moaning noises and sexual

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comments. He told Jane Doe that
he liked to have his model's masturbate.

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During their sessions, he said that
he himself had an erection, and he

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encouraged her to touch herself if she
wanted. She did not respond positively,

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and then Andrew Hersey repeated his request, which she took as quote more of

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a demand. Jando said that she
believed he was masturbating, but she did

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not open her eyes to look.
At one point, Andrew, still naked,

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retrieved a drawing from the other room
and then approached her to show her

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it, and in doing so,
he positioned his genitals only a few inches

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away from her face. When she
did nothing, he sullenly returned to his

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desk. The session was finished,
Hersey put some money on the table,

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gestured to it, and then asked
her if she wanted to quote hang out

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for a little bit. Jane Doe
quickly declined, got dressed, and left

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again. This incident happened on October
twenty first, twenty sixteen. Four days

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later, Jando's mother reported the assault
to the Dean of Students at UVA.

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UVA sent notices of investigation under Title
nine to Percy. This was on November

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seventh of twenty sixteen. The University
of Virginia's investigation unveiled two additional students who

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had substantially similar allegations. Three months
later, UVA sent Jane Doe a letter

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telling her that they had terminated Andrew
Hersey's employment and that he would be barred

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from university grounds. In twenty twenty
one, four years later, Jane Doe

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claims that she learned for the first
time that Andrew Hersey had other sexual harassment

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allegations against him. She claims that
the school never told her that. She

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also claims that she found out Andrew
Hersey was not fired as they had told

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her, but that they had in
fact allowed him to resign. It's at

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this point, in November of two
thousand and twenty one, that Jane Doe

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decided to file her claim, which
was unfortunately dismissed. Now, according to

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the court documents, the letter that
UVA Center said quote Andrew Hersey's employment relationship

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with the university has ended, so
technically that doesn't clearly indicate whether he resigned

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or had been fired. But still, this whole situation is bizarre, especially

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since we know this person was arrested
while taking erotic photographs in a state park

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with Eleanor Hunton Hoppy. I want
to put a call out there that if

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anyone has had an experience with Andrew
Hersey they would like to talk about,

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then I'd like to hear it.
Send me an email at Tapes from the

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Dark sidepod at gmail dot com and
I'll get back to you. This is

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where our story ends, at least
for now. Eleanor Hunton Hoppy will have

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her day in court on June six. Her defense requested additional time to review

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the discovery. That's according to her
federal public defender, Ned's mock. Now,

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why would Eleanor, who comes from
a family of legal experts, be

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represented by a public defender? I
have a theory, but I'm about as

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educated in the law as I am
in astrophysics, which is to say not

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at all. Luckily for us,
I have a friend who is well versed

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in the law. His name is
Bob Mada, and he's the host and

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creator of a true crime podcast called
Defense Diaries. We're going to break down

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the upcoming legal case against Eleanor hunt
In Hoppy, and I'm going to ask

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him quite a few questions. I'm
also going to ask him about Andrew Hersey,

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and lastly, and most importantly,
I'm going to ask him about Hunton,

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