S11, Chapter 4: chazzzledazl

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Quick reminder that this episode is part
of a larger series. The story really

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won't make much sense if you start
here, so go back and listen to

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the earlier chapters before you start this
episode. Tapes from the Dark Side contains

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descriptions of violence and sexuality. Listener
discretion is advised. Hello, this is

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a free call from Jamdler Holderson,
an inmate from the Dane County Jail.

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To accept this free call, press
zero to refuse this free call, hang

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up or press one. This call
is from a correction facility and is subject

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to monitoring and recording. Thank you
for using Global Telling thy Hi, how

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are you? I'm all right?
How are you? And I'm here?

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I'm here? Oh, yeah,
it works? What was that? Work?

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Just sucks? It's okay though,
I'm sorry, it's okay. It

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is. What it is? Anything
new in your networks or just anything?

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Oh? We close on the house. Oh congrats, So we can start

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with use my letter to my lawyer
then to hand to you. That way,

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it doesn't get sent to an address
that you're not at. Yeah,

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I just let her know that we're
in the process of moving. I should

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see my lawyer Friday, so you'll
be able to get it next Monday or

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something that's awesome. Thank you.
I'd better read something sweet in there.

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Oh, I have to write something
sweet time. You don't write anything?

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Do you just rans in your letters? I don't know. There's not as

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many as I thought. I thought
I was doing good about it, but

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I've done much or not very well. I don't know. That's okay.

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I just checked days here really easy, that's okay. I got your little

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figurine the Metal Earth, Thank you, You're welcome. I also got your

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cowboy hat. I'm glad. And
I got one of the fuzzy sweaters,

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but we couldn't find the other ones. Mm. Well, mostly you get

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more good news tomorrow from you while
you're Tomorrow's Thursday. Shouldn't see them Friday.

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I thought that its Thursday. How
do I know the day is better

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than you. I do a lot
of bins at work, and I was

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trying to do Thursday bins. Mm
hmm. Our Q was like in the

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eight hundred. So well, I
don't know what to tell you. Got

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my friends done again? Someone here
has been getting into doing their own rappings.

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You have one minute? Hellope,
say there is one minute left?

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Okay? I love you too.
I'll work on some more letters to fill

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in that envelope. I might just
give it to her next week so I

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have more time to fill it.
Since I won't put it in the bail,

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I can fill it as full as
I want when you give it to

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her. It's okay, just write
something cute in there for me, not

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just always ran Okay, I love
you, I love you more. Good

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rest of your week. I'll message
you, okay, tell me what you

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need, all right, Well yeah, yeah, I'll do that. Okay.

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Are we going to do what we
did last time? Just say random

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words until it hangs up. No, and you just talk. I like

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your voice, Okay. Thank you
for using Global TELLNK. The phone call

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you just heard took place in September
of twenty twenty one between Chandler Holderson and

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his girlfriend Cat Melender. But now
let's turn back the clock three months to

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June of the same year. Although
it's true that the beginning of twenty twenty

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one saw the death toll from COVID
nineteen in the United States surpass four hundred

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thousand, the vaccine was released right
around the same time, and by June

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this vaccine had been out for nearly
half a year. The United States,

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along with the rest of the world, was on its way to a full

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recovery. We were still masking up
to protect the elderly and the vulnerable,

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but life was largely back to normal. Chandler Holderson, who had just turned

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twenty three years old in March,
seemed to have everything going for him.

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Yet in June of twenty twenty,
one of which he might call unfortunate events

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came to pass for the young adults, a bad luck streak that rivals that

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of perhaps any individual in the course
of human history. A quick recap,

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Chandler had just graduated from a two
year technical college, Madison Area Technical College,

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who were MATC as it was known
at the time. He took two

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and a half years to graduate,
but he took summer classes buckled down in

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god his associate's degree in Computer information
Technology, Administration and Management. He also

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received somewhat of a specialty certification and
renewable energy and to top it all off,

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in twenty twenty he worked as a
teacher's assistant for two months. But

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Chandler's academic achievements were soon to be
eclipsed by a life changing event. Chandler

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had been offered his dream job,
truly a dream job for anybody working in

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the technical field. He was hired
by the company known as SpaceX, the

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SpaceX, and he was set to
relocate his life to Titusville, Florida.

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He would be earning an eighty thousand
dollars a year salary, and him and

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Kat were already spending their evenings browsing
Zillow together, picking out houses to view

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and possibly put a down payment on. A simple fall would change all of

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this. Not a metaphorical fall,
but a literal one. Chandler was walking

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down the stairs from his room to
the first floor of his parents' home,

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something he had likely done thousands,
perhaps tens of thousands of times before,

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when he slipped, fell and smashed
his head on the hard tile floor.

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That was June seventeenth of twenty twenty
one. Chandler was seen at the emergency

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room at UW Health at the East
Madison Hospital. In the blink of an

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eye, Chandler's entire future, as
he knew it, was about to be

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taken away. Chandler hit his head
so hard that he had a brain belief,

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a subdural hematoma. If you've listened
to earlier seasons. You know this

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is no joking matter. He also
had spinal cord damage and nerve damage.

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He was treated by doctor Michael Lohmyer, who we will here testify. Doctor

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Lomyer told Chandler that in addition to
kneading brain surgery, he would also eventually

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need to wear a colin oscoby back
twenty four to seven, and he might

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even be confined to a wheelchair permanently
as he had a very real risk of

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losing complete control of his legs.
Chandler and his family were devastated. So

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further two weeks was that when he
hurt his back when he fell, Yeah,

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pretty much started like right after he
fell because like they can just say

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cat can't come over. It was
a part of the recovery and like,

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hey pay us back, like because
he had to he fell down the stairs

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in his head twice, bruises,
ribs, had to wear like a neck

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breeze. They were obviously concerned and
didn't want him doing a lot. So

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I think his dad was I don't
know if I think. I don't know

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if he drove him to the hospital
or called an ambulance. I think I

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have a picture of them together there. Oh, sorry, my brother's calling

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me. Do you know when he
fell? Yes, June seventeenth, after

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before, because that's Ron Simon's picture
was taken and he was just going on

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the stairs and fell. He was
on the phone with his boss who was

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telling him to hurry up to his
computer. So he's wearing down the wooden

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stairs with socks. Yeah classic,
yeah, okay, And so here he

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is at all with glory. Yeah. And then like the day before that,

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I was having problems because I had
like a tailbone cyst, and so

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Wednesday I was over at the house. He was taking care of me.

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Yeah, and then he fell Thursday, and I went to urgent care again

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Friday to get it drained. I
don't recommend it. Oh it sounds horrible,

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painful. M I could barely walk
even laid down. And that was

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what which Thursday was that? So
the seventeenth is a Thursday. So the

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eighteenth she got her sister drained.
Yes, I have calendar. And then

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the sixteenth is the Wednesday I went
to urgent care and he was taking care

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of me. So I'm I ask
you a weird question. With him falling,

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he probably was going on the computer, But any kind of bounce in

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the house. His dad was downstairs
at his computer. He was telling me

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about like ry Chandler call. He
was like, that's not my computer.

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It didn't sound bad. And then
like I got up to like check after

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a while, and like he was
on the floor and I was like,

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okay, mister Hollerson. Sure.
Yeah. He doesn't say anything about it

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afterwards, like, hey, I
really like I didn't just I didn't just

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slip on my socks. I actually
no, Chandler's clumsy. Okay, it

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is not the first time he has
fallen. He needs like a life alert

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with things. Okay, I've seen
one of his many falls. What kind

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of symptoms was he reporting that he
was feeling after that fall, tingles in

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his legs, sensitivity to light,
Uh, some of your headaches, weakness?

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Oh. Was Chandler able to physically
do normal things around that time?

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No? What do you mean by
that? He had a hard time lifting

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things and quite often would get lightheaded. Could he carry heavy things from what

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you observed or knew? No?
Could he drive long distances things of that

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sort? No? Was he able
to travel? No? Why do you

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know that or why do you say
that? Because of the head injury and

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wearing the neck brace. Was there
any discussion about how the concussion and the

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injury was going to affect SpaceX he
wouldn't be able to travel down there?

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Tell me about anything you remember about
that type of discussion. Can you be

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more specifically? Yeah, what did
Chandler specifically tell you about why he couldn't

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travel because he was wearing the neck
brace and he had a concussion, so

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he shouldn't be flying. Same questions
before about American Family and MTC. Did

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you ever see anything around Chandler's room
on his phone, any documents records with

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the SpaceX or Tesla logo or anything
like that. No, talk a little

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bit about houses and things of that
sort. Were you aware at any point

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of Chandler had rented in an apartment? Yes, and tell me about that.

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It was a two bedroom apartment and
he put a down payment for it,

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and there's a little dog park so
I could bring my dog Chibaka down.

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Okay, just briefly, could you
just page through that and tell us

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kind of what dates these text messages
are them? Throw on June thirtieth,

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June thirtieth of twenty twenty one,
right, correct? All right? And

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these are the messages between you and
Chandler? Correct, I'll move five to

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fourteen in evidence any objection, I'll
bring up the same objection from the sidebar.

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But otherwise no, and based upon
the same ruling. They are received

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and they may be shown. I'm
going to start showing them, and I'm

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going to ask for some context because
we're picking up obviously in the middle of

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thousands of pages of messages. Maybe, but the first message is a message

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from you. To be honest,
it's getting to the point where I want

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to text your mom directly. What
was this about on June thirtieth, three

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eighteen in the afternoon, about him
being grounded and not being able to see

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me or hang out. What was
your understanding at that time of what was

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going on from Chandler? What did
he tell you he was grounded? Yes?

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Okay, you communicate with Crystal a
lot, right, Yes, when

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you say that, was Chandler telling
you that or did you actually hear that

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from Christa or Bart from Chandler?
Okay? And you say it's getting you

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the point where want to text your
mom directly, and Chandler says, can

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you read that for me? It's
fine, Bee, That'll only piss them

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off more. And what does he
say, this weekend will be great?

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That weekend was the fourth of July
weekend, coming up right? Correct?

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You say, now we're still June
thirtieth, We're about three nineteen in the

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afternoon. You say okay, and
he says what thanks though, And then

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on June thirtieth you send this message. Next you say, I can ask

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if we can go to the farm
right, correct? And that ended up

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coming to fruition. You did that, Yes, you read that last message

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you sent that way, we can
say my mom can care for you since

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they have a lot of stuff here
that they use for Mike and Papa.

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Your mom and Chres testified. Who
are Mike and Papa in general? And

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what did that mean that there was
stuff there for them? Mike is Chres's

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brother and Papa is her father.
Papa is elderly, he is over ninety

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years of age, and Mike is
wheelchair bound and needs help going to the

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restroom, and overall my mom helps
take care of them. What kind of

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stuff were you talking about that there
was stuff there walkers if he needed one?

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Are those stools that you put over
the toilet so an elderly person can

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sit down, or they don't have
to squat solo since it's hard for their

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knees. Chandler Alderson could no longer
fly on a plane. He also couldn't

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drive himself. The prospect of relocating
to Florida for a job suddenly seemed improbable,

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if not impossible, but there was
still a little hope. Chandler had

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actually already been officially hired by SpaceX
at the time of his fall, and

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so he was already on their payroll. His foot was in the door,

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and he started doing some work from
home in Madison for the company, online

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training, that kind of thing,
but the brain injury made it hard for

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him to focus. He began committing
numerous errors just in the training process,

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and suddenly his new employer, his
dream job, contacted him to let him

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know they were letting him go.
Chandler had been fired for poor work performance

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before he ever really started showing you. What's been marked is exhibit number five

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hundred and sixteen. And I know
it might be in a different form than

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usual, but in general, do
you have an idea of what that is?

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Snapchat messages and who are they with
Chandler and Chandler's to the best you

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can. I know these are people
make up names. But what was Chandler's

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Snapchat name? Chashl Dazzle, Chazil
Dazzle. I need you to tell us

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about Snapchat. I don't know what
everyone's understanding is. Everyone's of different ages.

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Some people have a Snapchat, some
people don't. Just in general,

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what is snapchat? Snapchat is a
social media app where you can send photos

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with titles, or you can send
messages through the chat part of the app.

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On July first of twenty twenty one, at seven eleven, you get

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a message right from Chandler. Correct
what does it say? How do you

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sleep? And you say I slept
good? How did you sleep? And

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how does he respond? I hardly
slept Okay? He gives you kind of

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an emoji face. You say,
I'm sorry, b Why can you read

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Chandler's message back to you? After
you say why, I don't know.

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Still hasn't really been going well for
me lately, so I'm trying to plan

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for the next thing to fuck me
over. Okay. After that, Chandler

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sends another message, Yeah, I
just had a great future planned and it's

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falling apart okay, and you say
no, it's not You're going to be

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okay here reassuring him right correct,
Now we're up to seven fifty five in

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the morning. Right after you say
that, Chandler say back to you,

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will you leave me even if it
doesn't work? Wor did bad? But

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you understand? You respond, no, I would, and he says,

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I won't stop trying. Okay.
Did you say why he lost the job

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at SpaceX. He said, while
he was working after the injury, they

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found a lot of errors with what
he was doing, and it looks like

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a page long or something like that, and so they were letting him go.

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Okay. When you say letting him
go, were you under the impression

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that Chandler had actually started working at
SpaceX? Yes, and remotely or how

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did that work? Remotely? But
he told you he was losing that job

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that day. Yes, so he
talked to you about his doctor's appointment that

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day. Yes. What did he
say about that he was going to have

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lifelong like numbness to getting the job
at SpaceX. Chandler had been working at

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a company called American Family Insurance,
but he had quit that job to take

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the one at SpaceX. Now he
had no job at American Family no job

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at SpaceX, and he was in
a neck brace with really no prospects at

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all. But still, this was
not the end of Chandler's troubles. His

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father Bart offered to help Chandler find
a new job and asked his son to

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forward him his updated resume, a
copy of his diploma and his transcripts,

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a seemingly simple request, yet not
in this case. You see, Chandler

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had been trying to obtain a copy
of his transcripts for nearly the past year.

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We have dozens, perhaps hundreds of
emails back and forth between Chandler and

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a man named Daniel Speith, who
was helping Chandler get his transcripts and also

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updating the national Federal student database so
that Chandler's student aid was paid out,

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something that had been held up because
of some kind of database error at Madison

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Area Technical College. While Chandler had
been emailing this man named Daniel Speith,

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a woman named Alyssa Brandt jumped into
the thread to reach out to the financial

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aid manager directly. And if things
weren't already convoluted enough, we'll also add

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an Aaron Hoover to this conversation.
He worked with the Madison Area Technical College

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advisement team all the way back.
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after days of countless emails between Daniel
Speith and Chandler, Bart asked him to

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forward their email thread to him,
and on that day, Bart called Daniel

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Speith on the phone number he listed
in his email and spoke to him directly.

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There was something strange about this phone
call. Now, of course,

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Bart Alderson is now deceased and so
we can't hear it directly from him,

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but we have a copy of an
email that he sent to his wife,

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Christa. He says, quote,
the person we were supposed to meet with

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canceled. So Daniel Speith, the
original person we were supposed to meet with,

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called me. He sounds just like
Chaz on the phone. Jazz,

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of course, is the nickname that
his parents and his girlfriend use for Chandler,

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because he's referred to as Chandler throughout
the court proceedings. I chose to

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use that name in this podcast,
but occasionally you will hear Chandler Holderson referred

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to as Jazz. Now, was
this a strange coincidence that Daniel Speith sounded

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like Chandler? It would take almost
another year for Bart Holderson to learn the

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true reason that Daniel Speith sounded exactly
like his son, and this was not

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the only peculiarity in this email thread. It's easy for us now to look

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at these facts and wonder why Bart
didn't catch them, But let's keep in

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mind he was working a full time
job, he was married, with two

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children, two dogs, and a
busy life. The answer perhaps lies and

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the reason any of us ignore small
mistakes throughout her daily life. Either we

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overlook them, consider them a coincidence, or perhaps chrunk it up to a

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mistake. The first strange detail is
that Elisa Brant, Daniel Speith, and

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Aaron Hoover all sent their messages from
Gmail accounts as opposed to official MTC email

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accounts. The second is that Alyssa
Brandt's account as her last name is spelled

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b r a n d T,
yet in her signature she spells her name

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without the D, just brn T. Again, these are minor mistakes,

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get in retrospect, the cracks and
Chandler's story were beginning to show. Let's

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add our last p to this convoluted
puzzle, American Family Insurance. We'll be

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right back after a quick break.
Stick around. American Family was Chandler's first

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job out of college, the paid
internship. He was working in their IT

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department. Despite holding down this job
for over a year, Chandler had not

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received a single paycheck. Chandler also
had a long email thread with a man

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at American Family named Tom Salesnick.
Now Tom Salesnick didn't have a Gmail account,

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but he also didn't have an American
Family email account. He had one

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registered with proton Mail, a site
where like Gmail, anyone can sign up

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for an account. Tom Salesnick explained
that they actually had the wrong direct deposit

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information on file, so they got
channed. There's correct information, but then

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they listed him as an hourly employee
when he was supposed to be getting a

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salary. Finally, this issue was
sorted out, but American Family owed Chandler

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so much money and back pay that
when they finally sent the payment to Chandler's

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bank, the bank flag disaccount for
fraud and put a hold on the money.

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I'm there almost all the time.
I hang out with him and his

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parents. Like why he told you
how like I wasn't over for like two

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weeks pretty much, but like I
was still there having room peer flows with

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them. That one time I coaxed
them Mexican traditional food before because my mom's

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an immigrant, I'm just there often. If I'm not there, he's hanging

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out with me, and like maybe
we won't hang out like two three days

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a week. It's very variant.
It depends on like if we're doing stuff

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with our families or if we have
other plans. But like I said,

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I played Mario Kurt with his mom
and dad, hang out with them sometimes,

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just have dinner with them. Okay, So what was the whole two

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week thing? Why weren't you allowed
the owing money thing? So did he

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how did that come about? Why
was that a big deal? Cause I

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thought yesterday you said that he's owed
for like rent and Christmas presents and stuff

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like that. So why was it
those two weeks? Yeah, because like

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he was working uh for American family
at the time. There was like problems

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with HR and how they weren't like
paying him and like it was like they

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sent it in the mail, sent
it to like not his address, so

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he was like, please cancel that
check. Then he like tried getting them

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to like deposit it, and then
at that point they owed him like a

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couple thousand dollars cause they were so
far behind. And then I guess the

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company that they sent money through it
was like, this doesn't seem legit.

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They thought it was a scam,
and so his parents are like, you

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gotta give us that money cause we
know you have money. But and so

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yeah, then he paid them,
and it was just those two weeks that

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are like you have like strict okay, which is weird because like his mom's

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like, don't be spending money because
you owe us money. But they're not

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really really, he said, it
wasn't really his mom as more of his

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dad like on him. But his
dad's also an accountant, so I'm not

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under stinking okay. To be read
with Field, I appreciate that Chandler spent

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months trading emails with the head of
human resources at American Family. Chandler's father,

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Bart, was actually an accountant himself, and all of this smelled incredibly

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fishy. He asked his son to
send him the email exchange, which Chandler

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forwarded to him. On June eleventh, at eight fourteen am, Bart Holderson

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responded to a son's email saying,
quote, unless there's something you were not

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telling us they have had ample time
to pay you. Chandler never did get

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the payment situation sorted out at American
Family Insurance, and exactly five days after

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that email exchange with his father,
Chandler would suffer the fall that would change

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the course of his life. And
before we move on, one last thing

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about Tom Selsnick and his email signature. You know the one that you set

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up and you take some time to
make sure it's all spelled correctly and formatted

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nicely. He listed himself as the
Northeast Remote Human Resources Manager, except Tom

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Selsnick misspelled the word human resources.
He spelled it human Recourses. One hundred

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and twenty ninth, twenty twenty one. After weeks of delays zoom meeting run

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arounds, phone call meeting run arounds, Bart Alderson decided to take this matter

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into his own hands. Instead of
contacting Aaron Hoover, Alyssa Brandt or Daniel

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speith, Art decided to make a
phone call directly to the Madison Area Technical

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College helped desk. Because of privacy
laws, he knew he wouldn't be able

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to get any information unless he assumed
his son's identity, which is exactly what

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he did. June twenty ninth,
twenty twenty one, Bart Holderson learned that

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for the past three years, almost
everything as Slyne had told him was a

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lie. In less than twenty four
hours after Bart made that phone call,

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he and his wife would be dead. Coming up on the next episode of

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Tapes from the Dark Side. Hi, I'm trying to get an appointment schedule

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to meet with somebody to maybe just
get a copy of the transcript and also

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a printed copy of a certificate that
was earned. Okay, what's your first

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name? Chandler C h A N
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Gina, Oi Bunco, Tyler Ernster, Sherry Sly, Shelley Jones,

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Alexis Kathleen and Greg b. Thank
you to Augusta Trevor Roorum whose original music

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you heard today. The spelling is
a little tricky, but if you sound

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it out, I think you can
get it. Augusta Trevor Rorum Or Just

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check the show notes for a link
to all of his music. Augusta is

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truly underappreciated. His songs have only
a couple of thousand streams, which I

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say that not as an insult,
but it just surprises me every time I

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check his music and there's not a
million plus downloads or streams. Please go

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show him some love. He's on
Spotify, Tube, SoundCloud, and band

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camp. Thanks for listening. Until
next time, try to enjoy the daylight.

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Please hold hello. This is a
call from Chandler Holderson, an inmate

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from the Dane County Jail. Hey, good morning loud. One second they're

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yelling right as you pick up.
It's crazy how it always happens that way.

419
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They're like, let's annoyed chandlers there
exactly how it is? Well,

420
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how are you? I'm okay?
How are you? I'm okay? Just

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with good dogs. Oh that's good. The huskies are the chewy and nothing

422
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not husky. So I found out
the Pomeranian husky misses. But they're like

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big. So I'm like, I
thought they would be really small, like

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Chewi side, but they're not.
It's kind of cool. Yeah, they're

425
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so fuzzy and they all sleep on
the bed with me. But it's like

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a twin Excel bed, so it's
not big. I knew someone in Plymouth

427
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that had one of those Pomeranian husky
mixes. Yeah was it smaller big?

428
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Medium? Like a fat result,
Yeah pretty much. That's fella. You

429
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:05.920
see had some big pause mm hmm. Yeah. How'd you sleep? I

430
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:08.960
okay? You know, I sup
with the dogs. I game with Abigail

431
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a little last night. I slept
great. You look great? Yeah?

432
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:22.480
Yeah? Could you take no?
You need? That guy would talk all

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night. This is like the first
night has actually slept through the night because

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of that. Dude just exhausted you
to the point where he could finally sleep.

435
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.360
Well, now they took him out. He's not shouting at himself in

436
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his room. And we shared a
wall, so when you're out of himself,

437
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.320
he would also jump on the bed. And our beds are like connected

438
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:49.239
through the wall. Mm hmm.
They like share bolts or something. I

439
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:54.880
don't know explain it. But yeah, good that he's done. Yeah,

440
00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:00.599
me too. This is the second
time he's been through. I'll be back,

441
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:07.360
hopefully before he gets back. If
you like the one that scratched his

442
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.719
poop off his butt or is that
a different guy. That's a different one,

443
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and that one's probably in this building
right now. He's just not in

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00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:20.719
our block, so hopefully he doesn't
he was. That was something else.

445
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:35.440
No more poop scratcher. M hmm. Not going super great lately, no

446
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:46.239
really. Yeah, with all your
trial planning and stuff. Hm, I

447
00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:52.079
found you some nice bucks. I
appreciate it. Yeah, like all your

448
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:58.960
socks is gone. M hmm.
I just don't know how that's evident,

449
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:06.039
but oh yeah, that doesn't matter. It's just the way it is.

450
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:09.000
Yeah, I'm not gonna ask anything. I'm just making a joke about your

451
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kissing stuck in a not suck sniffer. Maybe someone who likes tonsis little piglets.

452
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:29.880
M No, nope. Do you
want to send him I Happy thanks

453
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:37.519
Giving sex? You know? No? Mhm. He seems like he's all

454
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:45.559
all four putting me away, very
excited to do like what seems like mhm

455
00:43:47.880 --> 00:44:01.320
h m hm. That's all right
though, Well is he better? So

456
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:07.599
that's good. Rizzo's doing all right, you know, just usual Rizzo.

457
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:17.599
M over the anxiety, I'm pretty
sure. Yeah, hm, I finally

458
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:25.519
have an excuse to wash your sweater
severed in cat hair. Oh you should

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00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:30.239
be watching it at least once every
other week, handler you know what,

460
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:40.039
I have the sadness and so I
wear it every night since. So what

461
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:46.159
are you guys going on? Can
I or tomorrow? I brought my laptop,

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00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:50.480
so I'm probably gonna watch some like
scary movies on there because she doesn't

463
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:54.960
have like any TVs with like DVD
players are all like the super flat TVs

464
00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:01.400
that are big. Oh m,
I hope you guys have fun. That

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00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:07.679
sounds like, yeah, you know, they're really They've been really there for

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00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:14.320
me, like the whole time.
You've been gone and very supportive and saying

467
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:21.880
whatever I need is what you need. Yeah, they've been keeping up on

468
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:25.760
like trial stuff for me, just
like Danny Navigail. Oh yeah, I

469
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:38.440
don't have to. It's confusing it
right now, feel so yeah yeah mhmm.

470
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:46.639
Yeah, I should probably fix my
hair before trial. Yeah, it's

471
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:52.320
going to be live streamed. Yeah. Oh that's fun. Mm hmm.

472
00:45:54.719 --> 00:46:01.119
Just do something. You're allowed to
wear masks so you'll be okay. Hell

473
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:07.599
yeah, I'm gonna just buy a
wig then wig masks and I don't know

474
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:13.199
who I am, right, Yeah, somet I've in fool life. The

475
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:19.039
thing's eyes and eye row so maybe
oh, I don't know if you can

476
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:28.360
get your name omitted or something.
Hopefully you can hopefully yeah h mm hmm.

477
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:34.880
It's just thinking about the purple Cathleen
made me on Minecraft. Oh yeah,

478
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:43.159
that was pretty cool. Mm hmm. Make another one. You'll make

479
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:52.960
another one, thank you. Think
about you a ton, Think about you

480
00:46:53.039 --> 00:47:01.159
a ton too. Oh again,
around ten pounds of every month here,

481
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.599
you're getting sun bounds every month around
Well, if I have even about five

482
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:15.320
months here and I'm one hundred and
fifty or one hundred and seventy. So

483
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:21.519
a schle imaged you because I don't
want to see but I don't want to

484
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:27.239
read any articles because I'll cry.
And you look a little bigger like yours

485
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:32.079
the favor. Oh yeah, yeah, I wear a lot of I wear

486
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:37.440
exls now, dude, I like
the big clothes and a little bit softer

487
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:45.159
so like, I only in court
less than one percent of my time here,

488
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:51.199
so you might as well be comfortable. True, feel like you've sit

489
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.000
in there for a while, was
I? I feel like you've said in

490
00:47:54.000 --> 00:48:00.880
there a while. Yeah, we're
in a very small room for a very

491
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:07.639
long time. M hm. We
don't get wrecked anymore. Really, Yeah,

492
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:15.599
it's you're pretty much sit in a
tiny cage for happy year to a

493
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:20.320
year to two years, you know, mm hmmm, mm hmm, if

494
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:30.639
you're only doing happy years. Yeah, the dark side, a dark side,

495
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.119
dark satage. I'm glad you get
the hell out of my house.

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In Jesus' name, I pray