S11, Chapter 6: Dead on the First of July

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It's July one, twenty twenty one, at two ten pm. This is

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an instant message from Bart Helderson to
Chandler Helderson and what does it read?

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Bart wrote to Chandler, I'm ready
whenever you are. Tapes from the Dark

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Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality. Listener discretion is advised. On July

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eighth, twenty twenty one, six
days after his parents had been missing,

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Chandler and his girlfriend Kat were driven
to the Dane County Police Department in separate

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squad cars and interviewed in separate rooms. We've already reviewed much of Kat's interview,

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but we've not yet heard from Chandler. Let's now step inside the interrogation

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room and listen to his version of
events. This sound's a little bit more

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comfortable, and the lighting might be
a little bit better, So if you

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just want to have a seat there, perfect, Thank you so much.

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Sure, that's fine, I'm sure
to figure out what's up. No,

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you're fine. We'll be raising with
him. The officer leaves Chandler alone in

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the room by himself, with only
his thoughts to keep him company. It's

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immediately clear from body language alone that
Chandler is out of his element. He

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sits in a chair in the corner, hunched over, staring at the ground.

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He keeps that position for the next
two solid minutes. Eventually he does

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lean back in his chair and stretch
out his legs, but this does little

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to ease the internal tension. He's
continuously shifting back and forth and fidgeting with

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his hands. The fact that we
have this footage of Chandler in the room

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by himself is not a coincidence.
It's the result of careful planning on the

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part of the investigators. Although I
can't prove it, there's little doubt in

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my mind that Dane County investigators had
one priority that day, and that was

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interviewing Chandler. And if they wanted
an investigator inside the room with him at

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that exact moment, you can bet
there wouldn't be any waiting. Five minutes

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into the video, Chandler stands up. He approaches the wall nearest to him,

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and he gently presses his ear up
against it. Apparently he couldn't hear

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much as it keeps the pose for
only a few seconds. He again takes

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his seat, hunched over, and
waits. Eight minutes into the video,

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officers finally enter the room. There's
a miscommunicator right from the start, and

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although it has no consequence on the
interrogation that is to come, it's a

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comical moment. I'll see if you
can catch it by Chandler, how are

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you going? Not good? Good, dude, But you guys are spots

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richer. The volume during that little
exchange was low, so I'll go ahead

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and repeat it. The officer says, hey, Chandler, how you doing.

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Chandler says not good, to which
the officer replies, good, good,

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obviously mishearing him. The irony in
this exchange is it'll turn out to

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be one of the only moments in
this interview Chandler actually tells the truth.

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What's going on? All right,
So we're just gonna talk to you a

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little bit more, Okay, all
right, just say it all. I'm

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gonna record stuff. Okay. Just
helps and remember everything and picks up everything

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that we talk about. So Brian
Schunk detective Day kind of shriffs. Obviously

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we spoke yesterday, and yep,
I was from Midted the initial Jen Amazon,

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Michael Michael and then your birthday three
fifteen, nineteen ninety eight, got

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it, So obviously we're we're here. We want to talk a little bit

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about your parents. Want misson,
right, Krista and Bart? One thing

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I have to do as a podcaster, as someone who listens and watches these

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interviews over and over and over again
while I'm editing and writing, is am

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I reading too much into something?
And I've asked myself this question a number

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of times throughout this case, specifically
about the next moment that occurs in the

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exchange. Right after Detective Brian Schunk
mentions Chandler's parents' names for the first time,

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Bart and Christa, Chandler's eyes open
about twice their normal size. It

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looks like he's seen a coast,
and then his right hand jerks, almost

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involuntarily, making emotion, as if
he's about to take a piece of paper

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from the detective, but nothing's being
offered to him. He draws his hand

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back in towards his body and recomposes
himself before we get started, just because

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you're up here, okay, so
I'm just going to read you your constitutional

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rights. Okay. So it's a
Dane County issued card that they give us,

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so I'll just read them to you
right off the card. Okay,

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I haven't mentioned it on this podcast
before, and I think it goes without

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saying, especially for anyone somewhat familiar
with the law, at least in the

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United States, if you're being read
your Miranda rights, you stand only to

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make your situation worse by not asking
for a lawyer to be present during questioning.

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There's really only one word that you
need to know after being read your

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Miranda rights, and that's lawyer or
if you're feeling generous, two words lawyer

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please. Now, in Chandler's case, it really wouldn't have made much of

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a difference, but he chooses to
talk to the police without a lawyer.

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So I guess if you want to
start with, let's just go back to

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to last Wednesday. Wednesday, I
was with my dad. We what time

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Wednesday? I remember it was kind
of a bad day. Okay, why

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was it a bad day? Well, my had work, so she was

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gone. My dad and I were
watching something over lunch. It was the

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Wheel of Fortune, and we have
we normally have the couch like with our

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back facing, or at the table. We said it at the end of

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you coming downstairs in that bedroom with
the TV. I tossed the ball and

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I smashed the glass, okay with
the dog. The dog's help. That

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yeah, set my dad off.
We tried to clean it up. I

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don't know about him, but I
got injured, but he was mad.

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He didn't really talk to me too
much that day before Chandler is barely into

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his version of events. We already
have a discrepancy. Remember Christa's co worker

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who drove by on Friday when she
hadn't shown up to work. It's been

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a while since we've heard that clip, so I'll go ahead and play a

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portion of it for you now.
When we arrived at a peerod, he

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had just gotten out of the shower. I confirmed with him that his parents

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were not there, and then he
had given us a story about how they

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had gone up north in an emergency
to the cabin and went with a couple

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that he was not sure who they
were. Just know that they're picked up

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early that day and would be gone
for a couple of days. Is there

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anything else unusual about his appearance?
He had a bandage on his large toe.

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I'm not sure which side it was, but he had a bandage on

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one of his toes. Did he
say anything about his foot? He said

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that he had broken the glass around
the fireplace while playing with the dogs.

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Okay, did he describe his injury
at all? I just said there was

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blood everywhere. So Chandler says that
he cut his foot on Wednesday. Dan

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said that when he was there Friday
to check on Christa, Chandler had a

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bandage on his foot and he'd just
gotten out of the shower. Now,

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if we're getting technical, this cut
could have happened on Wednesday, and Chandler

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could have simply been bandaging a two
day old cut on Friday morning. But

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as we'll later find out, that
cut happened on the early morning hours of

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Friday, July. Second. You
see, Chandler had been a busy little

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bee on Thursday, and he had
been up all night Thursday night burning a

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fire the fireplace in his house.
In the beginning of July the summer Wisconsin.

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The low in Madison, Wisconsin that
very night was fifty four degrees fahrenheit.

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Perhaps sweatshirt weather, but certainly not
fireplace weather. We'll get into exactly

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how the fireplace glass pane shattered and
how Chandler cut his foot, but for

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now, let's return to the interview. All right, So, if you

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were tossing a ball. What type
of ball was it? This gross,

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hairy tennis ball rizzoloves just like a
green tennis ball, like the normal Yeah,

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with a squeaker, not like a
tennis racketball. But they don't show

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my dog choose those out of any
tennis ball. They just chew the squeakers

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out and then they don't play with
them anymore. All right, So he

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was tossing their own broke the fireplace
glass. You said you were injured.

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What type of injury? I got
a pretty deep hole in my foot last

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night. Mary looked at it and
she said, the reason it keeps bleeding

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is because there's glass in it.
All that shows I showed the active leaf.

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Yeah, okay, so a glass
dog. That was roughly around two,

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and then the rest. He didn't
really talk to me. I went

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back to doing like a job search, kind of just shooting my day away,

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just okaying games YouTube. Maybe that's
when I came across one of the

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jobs I liked. Then five o'clock
rolled oop by and we mom came home

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dinner. Would you guys have one's
donn? I couldn't tell you, Okay,

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who made it? I think it
was probably just stuff from the fridge.

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I don't. I think we all
did our own thing again. Sure.

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By the way, a detective at
my house said something's happened, And

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while we were leaving, people were
going inside. Is there a warrant for

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my house? Should there be?
No? I'm just wondering if can they

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go? As far as I know, they were at your house and they

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were going to be there talking to
you to ask if you would come up

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here and talk. Yeah, so
Officer Hayley just like walked pretty much into

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the gate, you know, the
gate on the outside. She just kind

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of walked in. As I was
wondering, was that when you were getting

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your wallet? Uh? No,
we were, we were. I was

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in the car waiting to leave.
I was just wondering if everything's okay,

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because she said something's happened and we
need to go down. If I know

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what that's about? Oh, has
anything bad happened? I'm sure it's not

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necessarily wrong to ask for a warrant
when the police are searching your property.

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But I believe the reason that the
investigator is so dismissive towards Chandler's questions,

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aside from the obvious reason that it's
distracting from his line of questioning is that

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the address that the police were searching
was not Chandler's legal property in the first

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place. In addition, I'm sure
that the police at that point had a

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warrant to search the house, and
that's because they had found something out on

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the farm where Kat's mother and her
fiance lived. I'll tell you all about

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that later, but for now,
let's again return to June thirtieth, Wednesday,

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one day before the murder of Bart
and Krista Halderson. In addition to

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his blatant lies about the broken fireplace
glass, Chandler conveniently leaves out a couple

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of key facts. He leaves out
the fact that the day before his father

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confronted him about the phone call he
had with Madison Area Technical College. Remember

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that Bart texted Chaz at three twenty
seven on that day quote I spoke to

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Omar job and at five thirty nine
pm that night, Bart googled Madison Area

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Technical College and on that website he
clicked on the contact information and the employee

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directory. This was to confirm the
fact that Chandler had been lying to him

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about the various fictional advisors he had
made up that he was supposedly talking to

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to try to request his transcripts and
on June thirtieth, Wednesday, Chandler also

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leaves out a text that he received
from his mother, Christa at five nineteen

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pm. She said, come see
us when you're on it. At six

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seventeen pm, Chaz replied, Okay, this is the day before the murders

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and the day before Bart and Chandler
we're going to drive to Madison Area Technical

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College together for a meeting. So
so Wednesday night, mom comes home.

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Dad was angry? Was he yelling
or what was? How would you just

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grab dadly angry? It was if
you you would yell, if you said

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something to him. I guess if
you talked to him, if you give

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him this space, he'll be okay. So Wednesday night, Wednesday, if

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you just give the space, that's
all we did. Just give him this

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space. He won't yell or do
anything. Okay, That's all we had

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to do. Were just and I
went to Clayton, do some laundry,

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make our beds, mhm, stuff
like that. Who's we my night moment?

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Okay? Yeah, we had an
early night with no TV that night.

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Gotcha? What time did your parents
go to bedlins in it. You

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think I was in bed at eight? You wouldn't. Yeah, okay,

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and you were down stairs. That's
where you've been sleeping. You told me

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last night. I was in my
room Wednesday upstairs. Okay, why have

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you been sleeping downstairs again? You
told me last bathroom? The bathrooms are

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ready to be close because stairs I
can't see too well in the dark town.

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So gotcha. And just like last
night, I'm drotting some nose.

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But you know, it doesn't mean
one thing is more important than other.

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It just means that I need to
remember stuff and I understand that. Gotcha?

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All right? So did you sleep
in their door closed that night?

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Or okayh yeah, I always have
a closed closed door. Yeah, that

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makes sense. I feel like they
argued a little bit. Parents said,

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what we're arguing about probably what's set
my dad off that day? To the

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glass, us not having food already
and stuff like that. I mean,

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we just like with whatever is in
the fridge. I suppose. Yeah,

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who was upset about that? Dad? He usually doesn't like that. He

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likes when we cook a night.
Okay, does he ever cook? I

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haven't seen him cook? Oh,
he grills. He likes to grill.

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He grilled on Thursday. Nice.
There's one last text exchange from Wednesday,

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June thirtieth that I want to tell
you about because I think it gives us

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an insight into Chaz's relationship with his
mother, Christa. Seven three am from

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Christa to Chazz, thank you for
waving. You made my day. Smiley

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face, five exclamation points. Chazz
to Krista, No problem. Krista to

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Chazz, love you, lots for
exclamation points. No response from Jazz.

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End of text exchange. Next we'll
hear about July first, twenty twenty one,

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the day of the murders. Right
after a quick break, don't go

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anywhere Thursday morning, I'll wake go
what time you then? Six? Okay?

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Dogs, we talked about that yesterday. Six am is kind of your

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deal, right six am the internal
o'clock. Now, yeah, used thank

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you a while. Six uh.
I throw't off any breakfast, so I

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kind of just stay in my room
on my phone. Helped my mom out

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getting ready in the morning. She
she left her work at seven thirty.

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I got her whatever she had to
do, h what was it? It

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was meaningless tasks like just daily like
pillowcase changes and she changes stuff like that,

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you know, in the morning before
work. Yeah, that's what we

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always do. Then she's gone.
Uh my dad starts to grill around eight

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thirty nine in the morning. Uh, yeah, to get the temperature right.

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Was he working from home that day
or yes, okay, we we

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ate the grill. Nothing really happened
between that. We kind of either were

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outside with the dogs from the lighting
of the grill, him going and taking

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a couple of calls, and then
we had we ate noon noon thirty or

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twelve thirty. Sorry. Sure.
Then we went inside and had our TV

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show again, Wheel of Fortune.
It's always on round our time for lunch

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or was it family Feud? The
family feu feud? This Thursday family Feud?

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Where'd you guys watch that? I
found the same? Okay, did

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you guys have a TV upstairs?
I don't remember. No, No,

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okay a lot. Sorry, I'm
really trying to make the memory. Then

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yeah, we went to go do
our own things. I went back to

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a little bit more job searching.
This time I branched into DeForest instead of

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just windsor looking. He went back
to work. We planned on I don't

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know. Something went well for him, So that's all. Then we were

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hanging out again. My mom texts
I I I believe I text her everything's

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going well. Uh, his phone
died. My dad he he didn't fleep,

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he just kind of like charged it, put on the dock. I

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left it. Then we just kind
of hung out and my mom gets home

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and I start the I start shrimp
scampy for my dad because that's what he

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wanted, but we didn't have shrimp, so I made shrimp less scampy.

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That's that's where they told me while
we were eating it, they were gonna

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go with their friends, and I
was like, oh cool, I said

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they were going cabin. Yeah,
well we were going up north. That's

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referred to it. Who said that
my dad doesn't talk while he eats.

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So there we are at Thursday dinner
up north. Through the cabin. My

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dad says, I'll need a set
for pipe repair and gas. So I'm

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like, all right. I grabbed
the pipe prepare stuff from his plumbing chest.

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They're plumbing plumbing box. It's like
a toad of what you'd need for

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type repair and two whatever Jerry kints
at. I can't remember the amount,

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but they're red with the safety nozzles. Got those squared away. They had

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most of their duffels already hacked at
that point, and we all just started

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bringing him down to the mudroom with
the shoes by the garage. After that,

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we watched is a Netflix original,
you know seven Underground? Who was

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watching that? The three of us, all three, all three, and

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that put it at nine. They
had their drinks, went to my computer.

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My computer was at that that black
table. We said it, sure,

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we saw that stuff. Played,
played a video game called Tarkov until

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midnight, well after midnight maybe even, and lose track of time. And

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my parents by then we're asleep.
You got a keeth brush and everything.

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And that's when I crawled into bed
from the black table. So after a

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movie, we set up my couch
bed and the pillows for the girls who

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helped us set the bed up.
My dad, Yes, he's leaving and

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I would need that. I don't
know if Judge Judy is the one who

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coined this phrase or joke, but
as a faithful Judge Trudy fan, I've

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heard her say it a number of
times. How do you know when a

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teenager is lying? Well, you
know, because their mouth is moving.

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A similar sentiment could be so when
it comes to Chandler, and as with

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most of his stories, this one
about July first, is interspersed with facts

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and half truths. Christa did send
a text to Chaz in the afternoon.

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Bart's phone did die, or at
least was manually turned off. But what

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I want to do is take you
through that day, moment by moment,

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through everything that happened exactly as we
know it. Around six am, Chandler

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wakes up, takes the two family
dogs outside to urinate, His mother leaves

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for work that morning, and then
Chandler and his father, Bart begin their

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separate routines. At this point,
it's unclear how much Chandler was still committed

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to his charade. We don't know
how much Bart had told his son that

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he knew, and we don't entirely
know how much Bart knew. Bart was

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likely clued into the fact that his
son had never graduated college, But did

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he also know that his internship was
a lie, that his SpaceX job was

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a lie, that his role as
a volunteer diver for the police department was

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a lie, and that his injury
from his fall was a lie. What

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we do know is that Bart and
Chandler had plans to visit MTC together that

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day at three pm, so to
some extent, Chandler was still pretending.

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Beginning at seven twenty am, a
text exchange between Chandler and Cats initiated,

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or, to be specific, a
snapchat exchange. But it's kind of the

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same thing. We've already covered part
of this exchange in a previous episode,

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but I think it takes on a
whole new meaning when we know that this

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happened just hours before Chandler took the
lives of both of his parents From Kat,

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how did you sleep, Chandler,
I hardly slept. Chandler then sends

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the emoticon of the colon and the
backslash punctuation marks usually indicates indecision or exasperation.

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Kat says, I'm sorry, B
why. Chandeler replies, IDK.

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Stuff hasn't really been going well for
me lately, so I'm trying to plan

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for the next thing to fuck me
over. Cat responds, B, It's

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gonna be okay. Chess says yeah, I just had a great future planned

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and it's all falling apart. Kat
says, no, it's not, B,

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You're going to be okay. That
exchange ended at seven fifty four am.

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At one thirty eight pm, Christa
text Chas hope things are going well,

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thinking of you, smiley face.
At two pm, the health app

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on parts Apple iPhone recorded its data
for the last hour, which he had

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set up to occur every hour on
the hour. At two o seven pm,

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Bart's last email was sent to con
tents were seemingly unrelated to this case.

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Three minutes later, at two ten
pm, Bart texted Chandler, I'm

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ready whenever you are. It's July
first, twenty twenty one at two ten

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pm. This is an instant message
from Bart Helderson to Chandler Helderson and what

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does it read? Bart wrote to
Chandler, I'm ready whenever you are.

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This is the last recorded text from
Bart Holderson's phone at two thirty four pm,

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almost an hour after his mother had
first texted him. Chaz responded and

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said going well. Thanks. Christer
responded right away with a smiley face.

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Three pm was the last time Bart's
health app recorded data. After Bart Holderson's

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phone updated the health app at three
o'clock on July first, twenty twenty one,

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was there ever any activity on that
phone? Again? There was not.

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At three nineteen pm, Chazz text
Christa, Dad's phone died. Text

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or call me and get soda on
your way home. I have an extra

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hour of work. Three minutes later, Christa responded, Okay, I can

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smiley face. There's something so crushingly
sad about all the smiley faces that Christa

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sends to her son Chandler. And
it's not just the emojis. It's the

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care, the love, the tenderness
exuding from her messages, and just as

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tragic, Chandler's coldness, his lack
of empathy to play devil's advocate for a

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moment. Chandler, at this point
in his life, was twenty three years

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old. It's the age when you
are just exiting your childhood, your teenage

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years, and you're truly becoming an
adult, or at least you're supposed to

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be. I can understand some level
of rebellion against the life that your parents

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show you at that age, At
least I know that I went through that

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for a bit. But even I
said I love you packed at my mom,

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which is something we never see Chandler
do in any of his texts.

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In my mind, this seems to
suggest a certain level of psychopathy. Now,

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I wouldn't say that in every case. Certainly there are abusive parents out

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there, but there is no evidence
to support the idea that Christa or Bart

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ever abused Chandler or even came close. There's another moment from weeks ago that

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I didn't mention, but I think
I want to tell you about it now.

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It's nothing that monumental, just another
example of the care that Christa and

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Bart showed towards their sun. On
June twenty third, Christa text Chandler,

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good night, Chandler, love you. Chandler responds good night. The next

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day, Chandler texts Christa, I'm
going to read it. Let me know

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if this is correct. Hr Rep
and me are having to attend a board

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meeting online this afternoon. Our meeting
will be online around lunch. I do

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not have to leave since on June
twenty fourth, twenty twenty one. That's

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correct, and Krista responds, have
Dad coach you and have in the wings

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to help you. Please let him
support you, or I will come home

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so I can. Mister Halderson responds, sounds good here saving Christa's phone as

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Chaz, that's correct, and then
the same day later at ten pm,

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I'm waiting in the room for him. Now at one ten, what do

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we see from Krista to Chandler?
Would you like me to come home?

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How does Chandler respond that day at
one fifteen, I'm all set, and

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slightly after that I got a list
of things from Dad and a bunch of

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tips. In researching this case and
reading about this case, I've come across

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every opinion that you can have,
and I think the one that frustrates me

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the most is that Bart and Christa
should have seen this coming. And I

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reject that sentiment with the whole of
my being. Bart and Christa did absolutely

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nothing wrong. In fact, they
sounded like two of the best parents you

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could ask for, trusting, loving, always willing to see the best in

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their son, and Chandler Holderson betrayed
that trust in an act of absolute selfish

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depravity. We don't know when,
but at some time between two ten PM

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and before his mother arrived home,
Chandler Holderson murdered his father with an SKS

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semi automatic rifle. We don't know
exactly how it happened, but we do

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know one of the thirty nine millimeters
bullets that was fired entered Bart's body from

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the back and hit a spine.
Investigators later found traces of blood in the

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Holderson family basement, where they also
found a spent ammunition cartridge. Shell bullet

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fragments were found on the basement floor. During later searches of the basement,

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investigators pulled off pieces of insulation from
the side of the walls and what they

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found. There were three ammunition magazines
which held twenty rounds of ammunition for an

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SKS rifle. The third magazine only
had fifteen rounds in it. Five rounds

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were missing. It's likely that Chandler
Holderson murdered his father with at least one

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to two of those rounds, and
the remaining rounds use on his mother,

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just like with Bart. We don't
know how exactly Chandler killed Christa, but

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we know he asked her to buy
soda. We know they kept soda in

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the basement, and we know that
all the blood evidence and the bullet fragments

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were found in the basement. We
also know that Chandler shot his father in

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the back. From this, we
can reasonably deduce that Chandler hid somewhere in

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the basement and ambushed his mother.
We don't know if Bart or Christa were

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alive long enough to know what was
happening to them, to know that they

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were murdered by their son. We
can only hope that they didn't. One

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of the only moments of grace and
the story is that we have enough evidence

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to reasonably deduce that Bart and Christa
were not alive for what was about to

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happen to their bodies. Coming up
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other people. They got a shot, but pretty faces just don't get anyway.

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Oh or twenty three ninety five judgment
for the plant. If that's all

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a dark side? Yes, God, In a world where darkness lurks around

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every corner, one name stands out
among the rest the zodiac. So we

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had a devil homicide that took place
last night, sixteen year old girl and

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a seventeen year old boy. The
boy was shot right at the side of

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the car and the girl apparently tried
to run. We have no motive at

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this time. His first words were, I want to report at devil murder

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and I also killed those kids.
Last year Step into the Shadows with foul

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play. Crime series chilling new season
follow a predator who took the lives of

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five known victims, claim to terrifying
thirty seven across northern California in the late

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nineteen sixties. The Zodiac pinned taunting, boastful letters and made disturbing phone calls.

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Craving attention. He unveiled haunting confessions
while toying with law enforcement over their

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failure to catch him time with the
Code complex Intricate codes accompanied some of his

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letters, ciphers with hidden meaning that
would take decades to break. I got

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a very taunting, creepy feeling from
the call. It felt that they were

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kill or killing would appear in his
code. Listen to the Zodiac releasing weekly

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right now on foul Play crime series. Well we can both start park altogether.

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Mm. Yeah, I don't even
know if I'll get my laptop back

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ever in my life, so it's
okay. I'll never remember the passwords any

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of my things, So yeah,
I'll starting zero. You've been wanting a

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new laptop anyway, So what's it. You've been wanting a new laptop anyway?

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Oh yeah, well mine, I've
been keeping it alive with super glue

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and whatever. M every Saturday to
another boy at least twice now. So

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mm hmm. Hopefully you remember your
iCloud password because we have a lot of

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photos on your phone. I didn't
like the cloud. I tried to disable

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it as much as I could,
but you have one minute remaining. Well,

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we have one minute, and you're
a poopy butt for that because you

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have a lot of those on your
phone. Well, hopefully we have the

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same ones on yours. We don't, okay, damn, Well hopefully look

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at that. Yeah, h I
miss you, I love you. I

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love you too. One of the
sheet is for your mom, one small

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picture, so can I read it? But can I read it? Or

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is it just from my mom?
Oh? It's yeah, for both.

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Here it's a picture. It's not
much, so yeah, you're okay to

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read it if you want. Great
day, I'll message you good love you,

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love you too. I don't know
what it's going to hang up on

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us. Yeah, just keep talking. So thank you for using Global Telling.