S11, Chapter 2: He Had It All

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Please hold hello. This is a
free call from Jamler Holds an inmate

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from the Dane County Jail. To
accept this free call press zero. This

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call is from a correction facility and
is subject to monitoring and recording. Thank

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you for using Global Telling. Hey, Hi, how are you okay?

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How are you? I'm all right? Can I miss you too? But

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why were you so hesitant? What
do you mean saying I'm okay? With

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the pause The sound like hesitation.
Oh, I haven't been feeling the best?

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Use Yeah, is it the bad? I think I'm like getting sick.

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Oh, I think give what something
bad? I think I'm getting like

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a stress fever. Oh. Like
yesterday I was having like really really bad

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headaches and like I thought it was
a migraine. Like it was really really

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bad and I just I'm drinking water
and eating as much as I can,

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Like, I just get like hot
splashes or and I get cold swept even

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while I work, and our cues
like getting around to nine hundred. So

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I just didn't call in today.
But I don't think. I think I'll

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probably be having a fee go by
tomorrow. Yeah. It's getting body cramps

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to do it. It's not fun, but glory. I'm okay, okay,

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feel better. No, I really
wanted to thank you for everything.

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I would like to believe you'd do
the same for me, you know,

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I would, I know. Hopefully
the roles never get reversed. Oh was

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that. I don't think God would
laugh in jail. I don't know how

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you're doing it. Yeah, not
well? Ah, mentally, other than

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that, I seem to be doing
actually pretty well. That's good. I'm

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happy. I was worried you're gonna
get beat up or something. No,

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people stay clear of me there.
Yeah I would too. Mhm. It

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would be nice for someone to talk
to. But I suppose it's good that

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I don't have anyone to talk to. Probably better. Yeah, it is

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pretty good. No one's trying to
say stuff, you know. Yeah,

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it's it's what it is, but
topic you for this phone call. I

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miss your eyes, your nose.
You like my nose? Yeah, like

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yours? That's crooked. Maybe I
can get beat up in here and someone

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will punch it so hard it fixes
itself. My nose is crooked too,

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Yeah your What do you know my
nose is crooked? No, I don't

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know. It crooks to the least. That's the that's the little mind goes.

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You have one minute remaining. I
love you, I love you and

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I miss you. Oh, I
love you too, and I miss you

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more. No way. Also,
I also got muff in the matching Halloween

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pajamas. Oh and shield fed brighton. No, I have not love.

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They miss you a lot. I'll
talk to you soon, wifey, all

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right, life, hubby, bye
bye. You're pretty, You're handsome.

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Yes, I don't know how much
how long I'm in it is? No

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do I I haven't been keeping trick. Oh, it's probably going to hang

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out during this sentence. Oh?
No, I should we start saying the

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things back and forth? Uh?
Sure? Soccer hot dogs paint. Thank

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you for using global telling. Wednesday, July seventh, five days after his

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parents disappeared, Chandler Holderson walked into
the Dane County Sheriff's Department and officially reported

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his parents as missing. Authorities sent
out a missing person's alert and began an

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investigation. They interviewed neighbors, gathered
ring doorbell camera footage, and began questioning

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who would soon become their key witnesses. It's on this same exact day that

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the Dane County Sheriff's Office reached out
to the Langlade County Police, who had

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jurisdiction over the geographical area in which
the Holderson cabin was located. Remember,

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Langlade County is about a three hour
drive north of Madison. Deputies were dispatched

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and did a perfunctory visual survey of
the outside of the house and found nothing

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out of order, but they hadn't
yet gone inside. For that, they

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would wait one additional day. It's
on the following afternoon, Thursday, July

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eighth, that the eldest of the
two Halderson brothers, Mitchell, took a

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road trip with his fiance from Madison
County, Wisconsin, one hundred and seventy

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five miles north to lang Lake County
to their parents lake house, located just

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a few steps away from Sawyer Lake
on Thursday, July eighth. I was

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assigned to be a liaison for the
Dane County Sheriff's Office. At that time,

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we were under the impression they were
sending some personnel up. They ultimately

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called their personnel back to Dane County. But we may contact with two individuals

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at the Holderson property, and I
conducted a search with those family members.

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Now do you remember the address of
the Halderson property, Yes, ma'am.

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It is at Sawyer Lake Road,
which is in the township of Wolf River,

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Langlay County, state of Wisconsin.
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actually said and who said it.
You may proceed. I'm detective surging roles

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of Langley Coney. Are you guys
the hotherson? Okay you are affiliated with

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them? Yes? Okay, what's
your relation? You're their son? Okay,

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all right, yeah, it's my
understanding. Someone from the Dane Cony

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Sheriff's Office is going to be up
here soon. I don't know a few

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they unfortunately we're just called them being
afore they were just capad actually really yeah,

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okay, that's news too. That's
actually something from the Shriff's office.

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If you weren't talk from Oh sure, hello, Hi, I have a

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detective which beat the day confer I
was actually on the phone. Mitchell and

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his fiance originally had a police escort
from Dane County who is going to travel

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with them up to Langlafe County,
but that escort was called away for a

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reason that we'll later find out.
This is my first time at this property.

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I haven't seen anything. One thing
that he mentioned I think would be

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a good idea is have you like
walked around or anything yet? Yeah?

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I did. I walked around this
quick. Okay, do you have a

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key or access? We we're hoping
so, but now we found of said

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a key. You were hoping the
right ones, but just gotcha. If

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it works for you, I just
want to roll my windows up and lock

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my car. But maybe we could
just take a walk around and see you

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and know the property probably better than
we would. It's change a bit since

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I've been here, but yeah,
sure. How long has like it been

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in the family. Oh, it's
always been in the family since the forties.

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Okay. Do you guys typically use
it a lot or a few times

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a year? That's when my parents
come up to haven't come in a while?

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Okay, if you had to guess, I mean, how long has

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it been since you were up here? Me personally? Probably five six years?

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Okay? Do do your parents regularly
come up here? Yeah? They're

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coming here a few times a year, a few times yere okay, three

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or four. I don't remember if
this is the first time this year or

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not. This is the third time
this year, because I think your dad

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opened it and then came after its
storm or something, okay, and then

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it came again. Sure, all
right, Yeah, let me let me

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just grab my windows quick and then
we'll take a look around and we'll go

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from there. Do you guys have
a boat or anything up here? Yeah,

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that's what I wanted to try to
get in there as well to see

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if any of our U boat host
So yeah, I mean everything, let's

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feel pretty close enough, Like can
you tell if the latches are on from

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that window? Probably could get in
if you wanted us. Obviously there'd be

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some damage. We'd try to minimize
it as best we could. But yeah,

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I think I honestly at least makes
sense at this point. Yeah,

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to be safe rather than sorry,
breman. Yeah, we were not going

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to drive a truck through a wall. But but no, unfortunate. If

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it's locked, we would have to
do something. But I wouldn't expect the

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locks to be crazy strong anymore.
Point is it just the pad lock on

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the front. It's just a padlock, okay? Yeah, and I have

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a pride bar, and we might
have some other options. As Mitchell and

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the officers walked around the perimeter,
they again checked the doors and the windows,

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which were all locked. If they
wanted to see what was inside the

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house, they were going to have
to pry the lock off the front door,

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which is exactly what they did.
I think I might just be able

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to pop that latch right off.
The three officers who were unsecene threw their

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pistols and entered the cabin and found
the cabin was in pristine condition. No

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one had been there in months,
or if they had, they had done

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an excellent job of cleaning up.
The officers then went to the boat house,

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which they searched thoroughly and found again
nothing. They also checked the small

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shed in the front yard, which
showed no signs of recent disturbance. There

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was one thing that the officers found
outside the boat house. What the actual

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fuck is that water beetles? Are? Well? As it turns out,

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the only thing of note that the
officers found at the Holderson cabin was a

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large beetle outside the boathouse. It's
probably a dumb question that you've been asked,

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but have you tried like phone condis
him and they've been able to get

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a hold of them or okay,
I started to forward you sure, do

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you know if they tried like paging
their phones at all? Not mine at

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least? Well your sad at some
point that they just shigne off the phone

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at some point, like you haven't
heard anything about for sure? Get over

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there. Sure, yeah, that's
that's probably something they're working on on,

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like a phone ping trying to get
a location of where it's at. But

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while Mitchell was carrying out what would
be an unsatisfying but we're leaving sirch at

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his parents cabin, Chandler spoke with
the media for the first time and somewhat

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strangely requested that his face not be
broadcast on television. Only a small part

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of Chandler's conversation was aired that night
on the news, but because of how

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this case would turn out, there
was interest in the full conversation, which

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the news organization later released online.
The authorities are still searching for a Windsor

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couple who have not been seen in
days. Fifty year old Bart Halderson his

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wife fifty three year old Christa were
supposed to travel north last week and return

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home on Tuesday, but their son
tells Tony Gally his parents whereabouts are unknown.

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All I would really want to ask
you is just if there's any information

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that you feel like, you know, would be worthwhile for us to share,

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anything that you feel like is important
for us to share anything like that

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of that nature. So my last
message I got from them they were going

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to White Lake for the fourth of
July. There's some festivities that go around

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their better drink prices at the bars, stuff like that, or yeah,

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White Lake, Wisconsin. And then
that their plan or from to my knowledge,

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they were going to Langlade County to
a cabin, their cabin along the

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way. That could have stopped many
places that I wouldn't know all of them.

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But it's about three hours north of
Madison or Dane County. And they

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left then a week ago today on
the first Friday morning, So that would

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have been the Sackins right of July
when they left, and that's the last

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you'd heard of them. And then
was it yesterday that you called the sheriff's

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office or someone with your family called
the sheriff's office just to actually got a

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text on them on Sunday telling me
they were going to White Lake. I

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don't know when the text was sent
because of reception issues that they would have

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and they usually turned their phone off
because of pay for roaming. Yeah,

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they it could have been whenever they
sent that message that they made it safely

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and they're going to White Lake for
the fourth Okay. So yeah, so

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it was probably the last couple of
days that you started to get it was

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then is there a people you know, you see comments, people say,

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you know, are they up north? Is the cell service bad? You

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know, could they you know,
just not be able to get a hold

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of Is there anything that you feel
like is kind of going on here that

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leads you to be a little bit
more nervous that that's not the case.

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My aunt went up there and was
able to call me a while she was

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at the cabin, so she was
able to call me. I don't know

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what provider she's using, but US
Cellular would take up most of Wisconsin,

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so like they'd be able to call
today. Is this weekend? It was

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packed? I get that packed.
Maybe the weather wasn't great for messaging.

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Yeah, so who knows. And
then the other thing I wanted to ask

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you about was that a lot of
the comments people were concerned or kind of

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wanted some clarification about the vehicle,
right because the reports from the Sheriff's office

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say they didn't have a car,
or there wasn't a car with them they

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brought, or they were picked up
by their friends. I never got the

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name of it, and I assumed
it was someone I was aware of,

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like the close neighbors of theirs up
the street, or their best friends down

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on the east side. So that's
what I assumed. I never really asked

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any further in it into it.
And so they got picked up and they

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all went up there by like another
couple picked up here, yeah, here

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at my house. Okay, before
I woke up, they had everything packed

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up and you don't know who who
cheese. I mean that that has happened

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before, where they just kind of
head out before leave or I wake up.

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You know, I'm heavy sleeper.
I'm on a schedule up at six

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to feed the dogs, and they
were out before six. The rush to

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get to the north. We've gotten
to know Christa and Bart's and even Mitchell

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to some extent. But what about
the man at the center of this story.

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Chandler. Michael Holderson Chandler twenty three
was born in Madison, Wisconsin,

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in the town of Windsor. Numerous
news articles incorrectly listed as Windsor, Canada,

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but I could find nothing corroborating that
Chandler was born outside the United States.

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While Chandler did attend college, he
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to the University of Wisconsin Madison.
Instead, he opted to pursue a degree

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in cybersecurity at the local Area Technical
College. While perhaps not as prestigious as

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a traditional four year university, it
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On top of that, classes at
technical colleges are more likely to be career

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oriented, and Chandler wasn't a slacker. In college, he went on to

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become a teacher's assistant. He helped
his professor's hold office hours to answer questions,

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and for one particular professor, he
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component for one of their courses.
This ambition seemed to be a continuation of

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Chandler's work ethic. Before college,
he held down numerous small jobs. He

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was an eagle scout, He worked
as a swim instructor, and with the

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help of his uncle, he even
obtained a scuba diving certification, which allowed

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him to later join the local Madison
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He was called in a number of
times to personally help the police department search

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for evidence. Have you ever went
scuba diving with your nephew, Chandler,

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Yes, how many times it was. I'm a scuba instructor. I was

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able to talk my brother into having
him and his two sons trained or certified

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in scuba diving. I think it
was in September of twenty nineteen. They

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had come up to my house I
live in the outside of Appleton and the

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Hilbert area. They had done the
online turning training. We did a pool

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session and then we did an open
water session. Actually enough dives to get

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them certified as scuba divers. Did
you and Chandler ever talk about him working

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with the police at all with scuba
diving or anything like that. He told

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me he would scuba dive for the
DNR and then sometimes help about the police

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through the DNR. Did he say
what he would do for them, like

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specifically scuba diving, look in the
lakes for stuff. Was this like a

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job or a volunteer thing. What
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it was a job and did he
have this throughout the time you were dating

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during the summer. Were there ever
times where Chandler would go to that job

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as far as you knew, or
need to schedule time to be there.

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Yes, how would that come up? He would just tell me he had

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to be on call days and we
couldn't hang out those days, or he

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would only have seluckt time to hang
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Let's go back in time to a
year that hardly a single person across the

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globe will soon forget, the year
of a global pandemic. In the spring

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of twenty twenty, many colleges began
to shudder their in person classes, and

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eventually they would move all students to
online remote learning. This is a trend

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that would be adopted in not only
the education system, but also the workforce.

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It's the main reason that Chandler moved
back in with his parents and was

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taking classes at home, and it's
also the reason that bart Alderson was working

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from home at the time. Social
separation was recommended by the medical experts to

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help slow the spread of the highly
contagious COVID nineteen virus that was overwhelming hospitals.

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Chandler was living with his parents finishing
up his last semester of his associate's

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degree. He took a little longer
than the schedule two years. He was

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entering his third year, but he
was just about to graduate. He had

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an internship that was paying him,
and as we'll later find out, he

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just had a huge opportunity open up
in his life. As twenty twenty turned

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into twenty twenty one, the world
slowly began to reopen. Chandler was still

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living with his parents, but he
began looking for other prospects for now.

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Him and his father would get up
at six am each morning, go to

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work together in their separate rooms,
sending texts to each other throughout the day,

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checking in on each other, motivating
each other. He's a Madison College

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student at ATC. They go by
Madison College now if you didn't get the

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email, Madison College student. He's
about to graduate. He's studying renewable resource

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engineering, kind of a hybrid IT
degree with solar panels, things of that

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sort. He's about to get a
certificate. Been working at American Family Insurance.

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He's working from home like most of
us the last couple of years.

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If your dad works for home from
home, if he was an accountant,

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for instance, which he was,
you actually have to wake up early every

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day and go to work. So
there he was messages between Bart and Chandler,

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Hey are you up for your meetings? Yeah. Chandler also always appeared

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to have a girlfriend who was both
attractive and intelligent, and his girlfriend at

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the time, Kat Melender, was
no exception. They had been dating for

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two years, and they had plans
to move in together. You see,

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in addition to a solid education,
a good starting job, and a steady

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girlfriend, Chandler had just landed what
you might call his dream job in Titusville,

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Florida, working for none other than
SpaceX. That's right, the SpaceX

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founded by one of the world's richest
men. For kid who was living at

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home with his parents, this was
the opportunity of a lifetime. Titusville is

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forty five minutes east of Orlando,
right on the east coast of Florida,

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next to Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy
Space Center. Chandler was set to be

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making eighty thousand dollars a year,
and him and Kat began texting back and

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forth different houses in the Titusville area
where they might build their future together.

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These messages with Chandler and you looks
like back in May of this year.

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Yes, okay? And what is
the first one that Chandler says, I

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have a good feeling about SpaceX.
Okay, I'll move five oh six in

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evidence any objection subject to what was
said on the record. Now you say

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I'm proud of you. What does
Chandler say there, thanks, I hope

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I get a job. In general, were you hoping Chandler got this job?

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Yes? Why? He seemed excited
about it. A lot of pay,

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A lot of pay. Did Chandler
ever tell you how much money he'd

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be making at SpaceX? Around eight
hundred thousand, eight hundred thousand. Sorry,

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I apologize eighty thousand, eighty thousand. Okay, So after you say

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me too, we're still in the
twenty third he says, I'll be happy

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the job was in Florida, okay, and that would take you to Florida

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as well. Correct? Okay?
Was it your intention to move with Chandler?

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Yes? And on May twenty fourth, he sends you this message.

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What does it say, I have
a follow up interview for Florida tomorrow twenty

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fifth, Now of May, you're
saying, tell me kind of in an

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exaggerated fashion, but just tell me
what's going on? Yes, And what

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does Chandler say? Shoot, sorry, I got the job and you say

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congratulations. The same day in twenty
fifth, what does he say to you?

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I have training next week over the
computer and I leave June eleventh and

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start on June fourteenth. Okay,
what's Exhibit number five hundred and eight,

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a screenshot from Zillow of homes in
Titusville, Florida. Okay, and it's

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a screenshot, but there's something else
in that screenshot in the top right corner.

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What is that, Chandler? How
does this happen? This is on

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your phone? You're taking a screenshot? Yes? Are you facetiming at this

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time? Yes? And are you
looking up? What are you looking up?

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There? Homes for sale in Titusville, Florida. Yes, especially it's

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been marked this exhibit five hundred and
nine. What's that pool? And was

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this another one of the homes you
were looking at? Yes? The all

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American dream home ownership, financial stability, and a happy, healthy family.

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It was so close that Chandler and
Kat could practically reach out and touch it.

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So how did we get to where
we are today? Let's go to

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July eighth, twenty twenty one.
It's been six days since Bart and Christa

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disappeared. Chandler is not necessarily arrested, but he's taken downtown with his girlfriend

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Kat for a more thorough interview.
Kat and Chandler are picked up in two

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separate squad cars, which immediately sets
Chandler on edge. He knew that police

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suspected him of something, but he
didn't know how much they knew. Both

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Kat and Chandler's trips to the police
station were recorded by cameras that were in

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the back of their respective police cars, and there's a stark difference in the

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demeanor between the two. Neither one
had been told yet about the dismembered body

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parts that have been found on Kat's
family's farm, but it's almost like Chandler

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knew intuitively that the police had found
some thing. We'll be right back after

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from the Dark Side. Could please tell

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me something, I honestly don't know
anything. Sure if every do you think

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they're okay that they're doing this?
Yeah, I haven't heard anything. I

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was out here earlier walking around doing
the canvassing stuff, and that's basically what

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I've been doing. Chandler, who's
around five to nine and real thin,

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sits stiff as a board in the
back of the cruiser. He doesn't smile

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or make small talk. He stares
down at his feet, occasionally his eyes

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darting out the backseat window. Officer, Yeah, what are they up to?

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What are they up to? You
know they went into the house,

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They just went behind it. Any
neighbors see you or't hear anything today that

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you that was quiet? Didn't know, did you guys? You guys would

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No, not really, just the
neighbor neighbors. Meanwhile, in the back

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of Cat Mellinger's squad car, she
strikes up a jovial conversation with the officer

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in her front seat. She opens
up about her life and background. In

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fact, and listening to this conversation, I probably learned more about Kat than

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I did through any Internet search or
news article that I ever found. Under

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arrest, You're not like detained.
We just want to talk and get to

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step out as soon as we can. I do not know what's going on

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downtown, And hopefully you guys go
out for dinner tonight. Okay, okay,

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because I thought that was a plan
for Okay, you guys are going

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to dinner whatever. Yeah, these
guys, right, I give lots of

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rides. I'm a community deputy,
so we do. We give a lots

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of rides. Am I allowed to
take a photo of me back here?

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And no, I don't know you
that you just I think they were frown

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at me. Okay. I don't
want to get you in trouble. I

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know I get in enough trouble.
Yeah, I'm just gonna can I text

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my uh brother because I told him
that I'm oh for sure going downtown and

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my mom's gonna cry. It's prob
like safety building. Okay, So that's

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just where their offices are, and
I think they want to run some things

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past your guys. I don't know. They didn't tell me anything. Also,

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I missed to call me, I
call someone or no, I missed

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a call from the brother. Oh
yeah ahead, thank you. Sorry,

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Minchin's driving up to The footage from
Kat's car ride is about forty minutes long,

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so I won't play all of that
for you. And anyways, the

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audio is not the best quality,
but let me summarize what I learned.

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Kad was born in August of two
thousand at Saint Mary's Hospital in Madison,

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Wisconsin. Her mother was a Cnadulce
is her mom's name, and we'll hear

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from her later. Kad went to
a school called La Folette High School.

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His mascot was the Lancers. She
works for UW Health as a pharmacy tech

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and was training to be a pharmacist. It's not exactly relevant to this story,

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but thought it was interesting that she
said her grandfather worked for the Sheriff's

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department, yet another person in law
enforcement in the story. Her dad was

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in the military and her older brother
was a cop in Saint Louis. Catherine

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metscham through one of Chandler's exes,
and it seemed like there was a little

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bit of drama around that that she
doesn't necessarily get too far into. She

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met Chandler, they bonded over Star
Wars, she was a theater kid,

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and they fell in love. So
the story goes, what did you guys

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meet It's a long story we tell
people through school, but long story short.

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One of my close friends used to
be his ex. She's not a

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good person, not gonna lie,
but yeah, she was very manipulative and

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like whenever he would try to break
up with her because he wasn't happy,

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she would threaten to take her own
life. Yeah, and like we all

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thought he was this awful, horrible
person, and then like I finally met

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him in person, and I was
like, oh, we both really liked

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Star Wars, Yeah, KT Flud
Star Wars Active, Big Years rob Li

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Kat was in the student Senate and
was vice president of teen development in high

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school. As you can probably tell, she was just as ambitious, if

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not more so, than Chandler.
When they arrived at the station, both

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Kat and Chandler's interrogations were recorded.
Only one of them would be leaving the

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precinct as a free person. That
very night, Chandler was taken into custody

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for providing false information on a missing
person's case, and police officially announced that

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the disappearance of Bart and Christa was
quote suspicious. What we now know in

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retrospect is that almost at the exact
same time that Chandler and Kat were being

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interviewed, police were searching the property
at Cottage Grove where Chandler and his girlfriend

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had spent the Fourth of July holiday. What they found was the stuff of

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nightmares. And you'll hear from the
detective, Detective Brett Baverstock, who was

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out there, and he'll tell you
that his eyes kind of shifted up and

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he saw vultures. And I promise
the photos are only going to go this

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far for right now. But the
police walked about twenty yards into the woods,

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and in that pile of debris,
under dozens of sticks, bushes and

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dirt, they found Bart Halders.
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to Greg b Alexis, Kathleen Sheillie
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Gibson, and Jessica Cooper. Our
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Casey Missek, and Raymond Clark.
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Until next time, try to enjoy
the daylight. Please hold hello. This

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is a free call from an inmate
from the Dane County Jail. To accept

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this free call press zero. Call
is from a correction facility and its subject

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to monitoring and recording. Thank you
for using Global Telling. Hello. H

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Hey, Happy Thanksgiving? Happy Thanksgiving? How are you? I'm okay?

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How are you? I'm all right? I'm tired me too. Yeah,

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I saw the canny call. I
just looked at the taiblet. So that's

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got any stuff to do today?
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m, A nice lazy day in
the snow is gonna be great. I

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bet yeah. Are you okay?
Yeah? You guys? No? Yeh

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for get anything special? No,
no, no, not Floppy Joe's.

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So it's pretty much the worst thing
they have. I'm sorry. Well,

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I mean that's kind of their goal, is demoralized people. That's what jail's

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So oh yeah, it's for my
old director for a theater. She

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has like three husky mixes. So
yeah, they all sleep in the bed

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with me and they're very want my
attention right now. Hm. Gotcha?

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Oh, I hope he has a
good day. I love you a lot.

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I love you too. You can
listen to that. What then I

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put my entire risk in her mouth. They're very fluffy, you know,

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like fluffy dogs. You can stick
your face in their fur and all you

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can see is first Yeah. Yeah, it's like I had excuse anything new,

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anything new with you or anything.
I don't know. They got five

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minutes are uh nothing really new,
just dogs sitting for some extra money.

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They also have a cat, but
I have pink eye. I've never seen

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a cat with pink eye. Yeah, it's really common. They're gross animals.

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That's me, that's me. Take
it back, cats, ye,

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take it back, Okay, check
it back. Thank you. I was

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gonna bite your arm next time I
saw you or something. I don't I

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don't think the jail would like that. Look for Just jump off the sand

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and bite your arm, run back, very funny. It'd be funny,

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but i'd get my ship rocked.
You have one minute remaining. Oh,

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I don't think they would even go
after you. They'd hit me and think

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I started it or something. Just
hop over, bite you, walk back,

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and they just whack you with the
batons. Quack quack quack and I

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love you. Maybe we can do
another call later. Yeah, I'll get

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a new one on Monday. Well, we can call again today maybe oh

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okay, and we can have like
maybe it's ten minute call. Maybe be

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awesome. Okay, let me know. We'll figure out the time. If

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it doesn't work out, we can
wait till you get your paycheck tomorrow and

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call tomorrow even Saturday. Thank you
for using Global telling. Looks a dark

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side Stork, saturag you home,
get the hell out of my house.

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In Jesus' name, I pray