S11, Chapter 5: I spoke to Omar Jobe.

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I'm sure you're aware by now,
but just in case you're new to the

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show, this episode is part of
a series, so please go back and

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started chapter one so that the story
makes sense. Thank you for listening.

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We'll start after this quick message.
Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of

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violence and sexuality. Listener discretion is
advised. There's a name written on this

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document encircle. Can you tell us
what that name is? Omar Job?

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And that became a point of interest
for the police and this investigation. It

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did. I think everyone has a
bit of a fascination of the dark side.

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I myself welwas he loved the dark
side as well. I think it's

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something that everyone secretly longs for.
A moves blood or there was blood everywhere.

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It was kind of I felt kind
of like he was looking through me,

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kind of like a glassy look to
the dark side, the dark side,

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the dark. On Tuesday, June
twenty ninth, twenty twenty one,

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at two oh four pm, a
man named Omar Job answered the phone at

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his job at the Madison Area Technical
College helped esk Omar was thirty three years

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old at the time. He had
been working as an enrollment coordinator for the

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past three years, and he also
still helped work at this student services center

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receiving operator calls. You've been doing
that since twenty and thirteen, And on

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that June day, he just so
happened to get a phone call which would

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land him in court six months later, testifying in a murder case. Sure,

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good morning, sir. Would you
mind telling us your name and spelling

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it out for the jury? My
name is Omar Joe M a R.

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Job And sir, what do you
do for a living? I woke as

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an enrollment coordinator at Madison College.
When you do you get a lot of

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calls? Yes? Do you remember
all of them? No? Are sometimes

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they recorded? Recently we started recording
them, like about like, let's say

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it two years ago. Okay,
last year. You were contacted by the

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police at some point regarding one of
these calls you had? Yes? And

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did you speak to the police Yes. Did they ask you about a call

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that you maybe had with someone about
Chandler Hall Alderson in July of or sorry

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June of twenty twenty one. Yes, In fact, at the very end

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of June June twenty ninth, I
believe I remember to date. Yes,

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I will move four ninety six in
evidence, and I'll represent for the record

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four ninety five to be the call
and move the call in evidence as well.

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Any other objections, no further objection, Thank you, It is received.

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If we could have HDMI left up
plugging my computer in, Folks,

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it's been a little while since we've
had just an audio recording. I'll remind

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you of the instruction that what you
hear is the evidence. If you don't

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believe the transcript that's shown on the
screen matches what you're hearing, you should

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go with what you're hearing. The
transcript is provided for your convenience. Go

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ahead, sure, all right,
we're going to listen to a call.

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Give me one second. Let me
make sure we're queued up appropriately and the

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volume is on. There's no way. This phone call between Bart Holderson and

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Omar Job is long. But in
keeping with the theme of this season,

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which seems to be long phone calls, I wanted to play the majority of

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it for you now. I have
taken quite a bit of time to edit

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it down, take out the parts
that are rambling or unintelligible, but I've

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left the meat of the conversation intact. Now if you do want to listen

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to the full unedited Omar DROB call, It's available as part of the trial

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footage, and I'll put a link
in the show notes. And don't worry

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if you get lost. We're going
to go over everything that happens in this

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call. Fie. I'm trying to
get an appointment schedule to meet with somebody

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to mainly just get a copy of
the transcript and also i'll printed copy of

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a certificate that was earned and and
other degree verification. Well, how do

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don't we get that done? Okay? For the degree, you have to

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download the duplicate diploma phone and send
it in what a or a check or

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money or the four dollars for the
diploma to be nailed back to you.

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For the transcript, you have to
go online and request Yeah. I tried

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requesting on online and we never got
them. And I've spent on how many

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time doing that and at eight bucks
a piece, So I'm not willing to

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do that again. Why is that
letting you the question transcript? What is?

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It's not my system, it's your
system, So you don't ask you

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questions like that. Okay, But
I need to start as the problem first,

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before I can know how to like
walk you through to get it.

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Are you buy a computer so I
can walk you through one hour to get

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it? I'm going through the process
before I worked with you, know I

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had I had tried to work with
Daniel Spit to see if you can get

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through the information. I don't believe. I don't know if he's with you

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guys anymore. But it just seems
like the ball keeps getting dropped. Okay.

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I mean that's it's pretty easy to
request a transcribe. That's what I

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thought to do, and you just
get to come through. It doesn't come

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through, like they don't send it. Do you rest? Okay? So

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we have a third buddy that process. It says Calcase. Did you talk

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to credentials? Okay? No?
Hello, Well yeah, I said,

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did you talk here? Did you
talk No? I said no, no,

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okay, So we have a third
party. Uh hold on, let

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me look at your account first pay
What is your ID number? Social?

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So I can a j K.
No, I don't have that. Okay.

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What's your first name? Chandler C
H A N D L E R.

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Last name is H A L D
and David P R S one.

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It's the NAT name is h A
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E R s one. Okay,
so it looks like you ol blans D

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ballans will four thousand and three forty
nine. So that's what is that's why

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you can't request it, okay?
Hello? Yeah, And we know bartead

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numerous suspicions about the stories that his
son Chandler was telling him. In fact,

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it might have been even on the
verge of willful ignorance, maybe not

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quite there, but right on the
line. There's a seven second pause when

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Omar Job tells Bart that his son
owes over two thousand dollars in tuition and

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that this is the reason that he
hasn't been able to successfully request a transcript.

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And this is the moment that you
can hear in Bart's voice he has

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to come to terms with what he
had probably been suspecting about his son for

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the past year. I'll play this
section for you one more time and then

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we'll continue most like you Oi balance
Ballance on two thousand and forty nine.

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So that's sorties, that's why you
can't have quested. Hello, yeah,

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can I schedule a time actually come
in there and pay all that and resolve

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everything at one time. Uh?
What the payment? Yeah, the payments

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tonight is open. Yes, you
can come in. Uh somebody over there.

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You can make the payment. You
can pay online tool. They can

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live the hold. You can talk
to the uh revide themselves. They will

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live the hold and then you can
a question a transcript. How long can

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they do an unofficial transcript? Yes, if you have to pay the balance

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though, you have to pay the
balance prayers, then you can obtain whatever

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you want to obtain. Okay,
Now how long do you take an unofficial

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transcript for you guys? Right away? You can do it al pdf that

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you can download right away. Is
there a person there in an office I

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can go to and have them do
it? Yeah, if someone can walk

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you through again, so you are
how to okain it? The thing is,

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you know, if you call it, we can walk you through download

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if you're so chisip. But like
I said, the ballins have to be

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taken care of firs. Yes,
okay, I understand that part. I

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want to point out how long it
takes Bart to accept how easy it is

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to request a transcript. Remember that
Bart is an accountant. He's a smart

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guy. He understands the words that
Omar's telling him, but he just can't

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believe that it's that simple. One
last thing that I think got lost a

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little bit in my coverage is just
the sheer volume of emails that went back

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and forth between Chandler and Aaron Hoover
and Daniel Speith and Alyssa Brandt. This

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was almost a full year of emails, hundreds of emails. Now I can

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tell that in the back of Bart's
mind he's still holding out an ounce of

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hope that perhaps this is all just
some kind of strange misunderstanding. But as

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this conversation progresses, the options are
quickly narrowing. Either this man Omar job

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is entirely mistaken, or the alternative
that his son had been lying to him

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almost every day for the past year. So do I need an appointment or

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the place? You can just go
at your true X field to get that.

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You can go to the front of
and the truck Chample. You can

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go to themand champers in the open
Monday till Friday now so you can work

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there and then someone can help you
late uh, you know, process the

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payment close to inflining theselves to lift
the whole and then you can do you

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or download your own official transcript.
You said, back to the payment,

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he said, to lift the hold. He said, yeah, the process.

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So once you make the payment,
you know, they can lift the

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whole right right in there. You
can tell them, you know, you

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want to question your transcript, so
they will look the whole right away.

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So he said, I had to
call somebody. Yeah, you can they

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do it if I stop in there. Yeah, when you stop and they

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will, Deal'll do it for you. Okay, Now, if you've earned

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a certificate saying that solar program,
you said the word as I getting requested

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to if you earned a certificate.
Yeah, I don't I don't see that

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you earned a certificate there they were
really you were taking IT classes, right,

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I don't see that you were in
the program prior to the IT there

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was a solar program too. Yeah, but I don't see that. Chandler

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and your dit avert is my fifteen
ninety eight. Yeah, but I don't

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see that you were a man,
I'm a hard time here. You said,

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I don't see that you were admitted
in any program. So you said

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they were. You know, the
IT degree is in there, right.

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No, those are just classss like
you took general educational classes and then the

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IT classes. You might have just
took the process but not be in the

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program. Uh, you have the
solar You took the solar class to take

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trigonometry. Yep, you took solo
classes when you were not you were not

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in it. Internship from the spring
shopping the entrance from the Spring of Wood.

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Yeah, I think oh this year
twenty twenty one. Yeah, you

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do, screw ring. No,
there's normally ship up in there. Yes,

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if you if the interests of the
style of the clerical unless do you

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know, do you have an Alissa
Brandt that works in that area or anywhere

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in the campus. What is the
last name d R A M. I

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think it's tiered DT No, And
does that check non teachers and everything that

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they would be anybody on campus,
which there will be anybody on the campus

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directly, you will have anybody on
the campus. Okay, how about does

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Dingle Spikes still work there? Spike
West name May Spike. That's s P

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E I T H he said,
s I t H p H M.

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No, it's God so love h
Okay, that's you, God done.

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Okay, thank you for your help, welcome, No for the questions.

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Thank you cross examination. No,
thank you, Thank you sir. You

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are excused and released from your subpoena. Thank you very much for your time.

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Bart Holderson was suddenly privy to a
number of laws that his son had

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been feed him over the past two
years, the first of which was that

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his son still owed the college two
thousand, three hundred and forty nine dollars

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intuition, this being the reason that
his transcript request couldn't be fulfilled. And

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in the phone call you can hear
Bart start to internalize this, digest it,

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and he begins to wonder what other
lies his son had been telling him.

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The people that he claimed were helping
him and his father obtain his transcripts.

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Alyssa Bryant and Daniel Speith didn't work
at MAATC. They were not even

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in the employee directory. And perhaps
the most crushing blow of all, Chandler

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wasn't even enrolled in a program or
what we might call a major, meaning

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he'd obtained no degree. Bart Alderson
hung up the phone at two twenty six

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pm, and exactly one hour and
one minute later texted his son Chandler.

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He said, quote to Omar Joe, we'll later find out exactly how Chandler

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responded to this news. But for
now, let's examine the academic record of

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Chandler Alderson, because we now have
the transcripts that Bart never got a chance

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to see, and what they show
us about Chandler's academic career is quite interesting.

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In spring of twenty eighteen, Chandler
was enrolled for the first time as

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a student at Madison Area Technical College. He signed up for four classes,

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which is on the lower end of
a course load, but it's still a

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full semester. Though he immediately withdrew
from physics, this left Chandler with nine

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attempted credit hours. Just to give
you an idea if you're not familiar,

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fifteen credit hours is an average courseload. Eighteen is on the upper end,

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and if you're extremely ambitious, you
can attempt maybe twenty one to twenty four

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hours, though it's not recommended.
Twelve credit hours is about the low end

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of what is generally considered a full
time student in nine credit hours is not

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even full time. His highest grade
that semester was the class of Leadership as

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an Art, which he received a
B. In trigonometry, Chandler received a

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C and in solar Technology Chandler received
a C. His term GPA for that

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semester was a two point three.
Chandler signed up for summer classes, attempting

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chemistry, statistics and a solar installation
lab. The chemistry class he got a

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recorded B C, which is apparently
right between a B and a C,

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which I had never heard of.
I thought it was either a B plus

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or a C minus, but apparently
there's a BC. Statistics he withdrew from,

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and in his solar lab he got
an A, raising his GPA to

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its all time high of two point
eight. From this point on, Chandler's

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grades would be nothing short of a
disaster. Fall of twenty eighteen, Chandler

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signed up for Intro to Sustainable Design
Statistics again and Intro to Renewable Energy.

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He withdrew from the Renewable Energy course. He got an F in statistics and

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an A in his Intro to Design. His cumulative GPA fell to two point

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one point five. In his first
full year of college, Chandler had passed

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a total of sixteen credit hours,
meaning he would be far behind schedule if

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he wanted to graduate on time.
In the spring of twenty nineteen, Chandler

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continued on this dismal path. Environmental
Science he withdrew, Project Management fund he

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got to see whether in climate he
withdrew, and ACDC Electronics he withdrew,

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completing only three credit hours. His
cumulative GPA once again fell to two point

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one three. And then we have
the Fall of twenty nineteen, Chandler's most

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spectacular semester. Now there's an acronym
on the transcripts WNA, which means withdrew

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with no attempt, And during the
trial they explain that if the class was

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dropped within the first ten days or
so, there was no penalty to a

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student's GPA. Chandler wna'd three classes, Intermediate Word Processing, Beginner's Word Processing,

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and Written Communication. The remaining five
classes that he took he recorded an

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f for each class, Exploration of
Information Technology, Intro to Cisco Networking,

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IT, Security Awareness, Enterprise Client
and Psychology of Human Relations. Now,

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curiously, the spring of twenty twenty, Chandler did not attempt a single class.

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This lines up exactly with the beginning
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initially I thought that maybe MATC had
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further research, it appears that this
is not the case. MAATC moved their

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classes online, as did almost every
college across America. I even pose the

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question on an Internet forum, and
an anonymous student claims to have attended classes

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at MATC for that semester Spring twenty
twenty. Now, we don't know specifically

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whether Chandler hid this fact from his
parents or his girlfriend, but what we

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do know definitively is that Chandler did
not enroll, attend, or attempt a

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single class for the twenty twenty spring
semester. The Fall of twenty twenty Chandler's

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last semester, but he had only
completed nineteen credit hours. If he wanted

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to graduate, he would have to
make up almost a year and a half

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of schooling in one semester. Chandler
withdrew with no attempt from Office three sixty

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five word beginning Exploration of Information Technology
IT, Security Awareness and Enterprise Client.

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He again attempted Intro to Cisco Networking
and the course Psychology of Human Relations,

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which he again recorded an F in
both courses. Chandler finished his Fall twenty

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twenty semester with still only nineteen credit
hours completed in the exact same GPA of

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one point four to four. A
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sixty nine percent or a D plus. Talk about a couple of docents that

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are already in evidence. This morning, Detective Blank testified about this small burner

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phone. And this was the burner
phone I think mister Selzner testified was found

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in channel Helderson's desk. Correct,
the Elcatel flip phone, Okay, And

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he produced a report when he tried
to download when he could download there indicating

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a cell phone number for that phone. Correct, and what was that cell

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phone number? Six oh eight five
nine eight seven eight six eight. And

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earlier in the trial a couple weeks
ago, we passed around this document to

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the jury. Was I believe testified
in this case to be a paper found

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on the desk of bart Halderson with
some written notes on it giving a phone

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number for someone bart Alderson spoke to
at M ATC who was the person he

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believes he spoke to. Correct.
This is an email that bart Helderson had

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saying that he had spoken with Danny
Speith. At the bottom of I'm sorry

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and part of the body of that
he does say that Daniel sounds just like

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Chaz who we know is what the
family called Chandler on the phone. The

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bottom of this email says Daniel's contact
information is Sell six zero eight five nine

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eight seven eight six' eight,
which is the same phone number I as

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read, which is registered to the
flip phone. So the Burner phone found

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in the desk is the same as
the email that the jury looked at with

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that phone number. Correct. Okay, were you employed? I work for

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Madison College? And specifically, what
is your title? The director of employee

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Relations? And were you able to
look in the database or some historic information

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to see if Aaron Hoover had ever
worked for Madison College or m ATC.

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I was able to look and was
Aaron Hoover ever an employee? No?

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Were you able to repeat the same
process with Alyssa Brand? Yes? And

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you did that in fact with two
different spellings br n T and br A

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and d T that's correct? And
was she ever an employee for m ATC

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or Madison College? No? What
about Daniel speF Was he ever an employee

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for Madison College or m ATC.
No? Can I ask you what is

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the end part of every employee's email? Who works for Madison College? Madison

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College dot edu. No one uses
a Gmail account is their official Madison College

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email. No, no further questions. So how exactly had Chandler Holderson,

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who had a d average over nineteen
credit hours, not even having graduated community

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college, get a job with SpaceX? Well, the answer is quite simple,

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ladies and gentlemen. Before we proceed
with another witness, I have to

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read to you another agreed fact,
something that the parties have stipulated to that

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you must accept as proven. Specifically, in this case, the district attorney

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and the defendant's attorneys have stipulated to
the following facts. Chandler Alderson has never

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been employed by SpaceX or sought a
job at that company. Please proceed.

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Chandler had no job at SpaceX,
he had never graduated college. But what

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about the internship that he had while
he was in college, the one with

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American Family. Remember that this internship
with American Family was a paid internship.

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Chandler was owed thousands of dollars in
back pay because he was accidentally listed by

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the company as an hourly employee when
he was supposed to be getting paid salary,

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and then when they tried to send
him his payment, the bank rejected

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it because it was flagged for fraud. This is another situation where Chandler traded

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dozens of emails, this time with
a man named Tom Selznick. How are

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you employed, miss Snap, I
work for American Family Insurance and what is

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your title? Employee relations manager?
And sometime this summer or into the fall,

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were you contacted by Dane County Sheriff's
Office in connection to this case?

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Yes? I was? And in
particular, did they ask you to research

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whether or not Chandler Holderson was ever
employed by American Family? Yes? They

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did, and what did you find
out? I found no record of that

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person working for American Family. What
about as one of their contractors? Did

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you ever? Did you research that? I did as well, and we

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found no record of that person working
as a contractor. Also, have you

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researched whether or not Tom Selznick was
ever an employee of American Family? Yes?

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They did, and was he ever
an employee or a contract employee?

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No? Do any of your employees, as their official email have a proton

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mail account? No? What is
like the tag or the ending of the

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emails from American Family Insurance at AMFAM
dot com. No further questions cross examination.

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No, thank you, thank you
made this witness to be excused and

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released. Yes, sure, so
his internship was fake, his degree was

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fake, his certification and renewable energy
was fake, and his SpaceX child was

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fake. What about working as a
scuba diver on the rescue team for the

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local police, Mister Gravat, do
you know somebody by the name of Chandler

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Helderson. I do know Chandler Holderson. And how do you know mister Halderson?

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We were childhood friends and roommates.
Okay, Well, I knew in

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high school he was a diver,
but then he loved to swim, and

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from my understanding, he joined the
Madison Police diving team for search and rescue

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missions. I know he'd gone a
few times with them, to my knowledge,

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but I never went with him or
dropped him off or saw anything.

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Did he ever tell you about any
of his search and rescue missions? Yes,

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he told me a couple of times
about getting caught in riptides, and

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one time he said that he saw
a body while doing it well, while

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scuba diving, and that he was
a little weirded out by that. Did

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he ever bring home any momentos or
anything he found while scuba diving. Yes,

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I know there was one time he
brought home a large pink sex toy

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that he found. And then there
was one time I believe he brought home

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like an old, rusty looking knife. And were these from his scuba diving

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missions with the Madison Police Department?
Was that you're understanding? I believe so,

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good afternoon. Could plete state in
spell your name Paige Valenta P A

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I G E Valenta v A L
E N T A. And how are

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you employed with the City Madison Police
Department? In what role? I'm the

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Assistant Chief of Operations. In the
realm of ranks of police officers, you're

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at near the very top. I
report directly to the chief. Does the

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Madison Police have a scuba diving rescue
team? No? Is someone named Chandler

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Holderson ever been employed by the Madison
Police to your knowledge? No. No

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for the questions, cross examination,
no, thank you made this witness be

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excused and released. Yes, I've
had this reoccurring throughout my life, even

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now in my mid thirties, I'll
still have it once in a while,

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a handful of times throughout the year, usually when I'm procrastinating on something,

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I'm walking through the halls of a
nondescript generic school. Sometimes it's a high

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school, sometimes it's a college,
and I'm looking for a class. When

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I find the door, I walk
in and realize that it's the last day

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of the semester and I have yet
to attend a single class or complete a

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single assignment. It's not exactly a
nightmare, but it's not a good dream.

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I usually wake up with a pit
in my stomach, followed by a

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feeling of relief. Now I can't
tell you exactly why I have this dream,

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and I've learned that if your psychotherapist
can tell you the exact meaning behind

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your dreams, then it's probably time
for a new therapist. But if I

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had to venture a guess, it's
my subconscious working something out, usually something

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in my life that I'm repressing.
I can only imagine with the secrets that

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Chandler Alderson was keeping, the kind
of dreams that he dreamed at night.

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Will be right back, Don't go
Anywhere. Last episode, we talked about

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a fall that Chandler had in the
month of June in twenty twenty one,

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this fall being a primary motivator for
him losing the job at SpaceX. But

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if Chandler never had a job at
SpaceX, then how did the fall even

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play into that. What would be
the point of making up getting a job

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and then losing a job. It
sounds so convoluted that it's hard to tell

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what even true and what is false. And so investigators decided to track down

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the doctor that Chandler claimed to have
seen, who was in fact a real

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doctor, doctor Michael Lohmyer, who's
working in the emergency room at UW Health

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at the East Madison Hospital. Remember, Chandler said that doctor Lomyer told him

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that he would need brain surgery,
he would need to wear a colonoscopy bag

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twenty four to seven, and he
might even be confined to a wheelchair for

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the rest of his life. My
name is Michael Lomyer. I'm an emergency

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physician at the University of Wisconsin Hospital
and Clinics, and you're an er physician.

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So you have an MDH Yes,
ma'am, that's correct. Okay,

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So, on June seventeenth of twenty
twenty one, did you in fact see

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a patient named Chandler Halderson. Yes, ma'am, I did so. Do

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you know about what time of day
you saw mister Halderson on June seventeenth.

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I believe it was around noon.
And had you met him before this day?

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I don't believe, so no,
Okay, what symptoms did he present

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with? I believe he was complaining
of some pain to his head and his

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right ribs after a reported fall down
some stairs. So what did you do

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in your treatment at that time?
My physician assistant went and evaluated the patient.

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First, he came up with a
treatment plan. We discussed it and

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then got some imaging. Okay,
what imaging did you get? We got

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a CT scan, a CAT scan
of his head and his c spin and

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a cerphical spine, and what if
anything did that imaging reveal? Those images

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were reported as being negative without abnormality. Did you perform any other tests?

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So he had a physical exam,
during which the PA and I both did

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an abbreviated physical exam looking for any
signs of injury. We did discuss with

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the patient a potential X ray of
his ribs because he was having some right

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sided chest tenderness at that time.
The patient declined the additional imaging, and

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I think about that time we closed
the encounter. I believe for this case,

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the patient had some residual neck pain, so he was given a caller

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to go home with for support,
with instruction to follow up with his primary

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care physician and with the spying team
that was on call. Is it unusual

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for you to hand out neck brace
or neck collar with somebody who says,

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hey, my neck is hurting.
No, ma'am, it is not unusual

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at all. And you said diagnosis
of a mild or moderate concussion. What

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in this case did you diagnose mister
Halderson with. I believe he was diagnosed

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as having a mild concussion, and
I believe in the notes it reported him

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as having just a chi a CLIs
had injury, so a nonspecific diagnosis.

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At any point in time during your
visit with mister Halderson, did you tell

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him he was going to experience paralysis, No, ma'am. At any point

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during your time with mister Halderson,
did you tell him that he had a

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brain bleed, No, ma'am.
At any point during your appointment with mister

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Halderson, did you at any point
tell him that he had a brain aneurysm.

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No, ma'am. At any point
did you tell him that he had

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nerve damage? I don't believe so, No, ma'am. At any point,

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did you tell him he had a
spinal injury, No, I don't

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believe so. At any point,
did you advise him that he should not

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fly in an airplane, No,
ma'am. At any point, did you

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tell him that he should not drive? I don't believe so. No.

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At any point did you ever say
that he shouldn't drive long distances? I

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know, ma'am. At any point, did you tell him that he had

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a hematoma in his brain? I
know, ma'am. I did not.

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At any point, did you tell
him that he would have an inability to

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use his legs in a normal manner, No, ma'am. At any point,

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did you tell him, because of
his mild concussion, that he was

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going to have to have a colostomy
bag, No, ma'am. And just

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to be clear, that's a bag
for poop. That's correct. At any

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point in time, did you have
to drill a hole into his head?

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I know, ma'am. At any
point in time, did you tell him

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that he was going to have to
have surgery where a hole would be drilled

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in his head. Coming up on
the next episode of From the Dark Side,

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we'll examine moment by moment. The
day that Chandler Holderson murdered his parents

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July first, two and twenty one, how would you describe Dad being angry?

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It was if you he would yell
if you said something to him.

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I guess if you talk to him, if you're give him this space,

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he'll be okay. If you just
give this space. That's all we did.

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Just give him this space. He
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who allowed us to adapt his song
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in helping the show crow, keeping
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grateful for every person listening. I've
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creator. Remember the dark side is
always here waiting for you to listen until

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next time. Try to enjoy the
daylight. Tell you something, well,

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I have a therapist. Oh what
are they telling you? M nothing.

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They just listen to me complaining and
that's it. Oh they're one of those

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therapists where it's like out sided.
So I talk about what I want to

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talk about and like complain. So
it's me just complaining for an hour.

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It's nice. Yeah, I do
not get one. Get yeah, coloring

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pages and like printer papers so you
can can draw on. Then do you

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see the coloring? No, there's
just sheets of paper. We can't have

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books, really mm hmm. I
think it's the stuff that's there's some books

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in the hallways, like in these
hopes. M hm. You get an

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innate worker that's nice enough to kick
it close enough to the bar so you

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can reach and get a book.
It's great. Yeah m hm hm.

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I'm sure you write a lot of
books onmre some fancy words. I have

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read a lot, yeah, and
wrote a lot. Rip up my pages

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right away after I finished writing you
questions m hmm. No, if you

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get them what the leg win or
the pencil just like melts into the rest

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of the paper, so it's just
like you wrote on it and just let's

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throw it away. M hmm.
I was gonna say, if you didn't

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what enough, you can throw them
on the sea line. Yeah. The

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rules here is so weird that they'd
probably take me to the hole for that.

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Oh have you been to the home
Nope. But it's a whole lot

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of loneliness. M. Yeah,
that's a good one. A dark side God