Nov. 12, 2024

S11, Chapter 13: Body In Absentia

On the night of Saturday, July 2, Cathryn Mellender arrived at…

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Season 11S11 | The Haldersons

On the night of Saturday, July 2, Cathryn Mellender arrived at the Halderson family home for a sleepover with her boyfriend, Chandler.

Unbeknownst to Cat, she'd be sleeping just feet away from the dismembered bodies of Bart and Krista...hidden beneath her in a cooler on ice.

Meanwhile, Chandler frantically tried to devise a plan to dispose of their remains.

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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality.

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Listener discretion is advised.

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When police had finally finished searching the Halderson family fireplace

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in the connecting ash trap, they had a mountain of evidence.

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They had pieces of bone, they had piles upon piles

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of ash, and they even had teeth. Yet, despite all

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this evidence that they had found, there was a lot

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that these items didn't tell them. Many of the bones

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were not able to be identified as human bones, and

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the teeth that were found were not able to be

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matched to any dental records of Bart or Christa. In

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the previous episode, we learned that when police pulled dental records,

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they usually used the positioning of the teeth in those

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records to match them to a potential victim. One or

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two singular teeth is usually not much help. Detectives were

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in a bit of a conundrum. They didn't even know

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how much of Bart and Christa were burned in the fireplace,

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which means they didn't know how much of their bodies

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might still be out there. Now, we do have Bart

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Holderson's torso that was found wrapped up in a tarp

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on Cress's farm, a tarp that happened to match the

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description of one that Chandler Holderson had purchased at Fleet

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Farm on camera on July second. Chandler was not able

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to chop up his parents' torsos into small enough pieces

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to fit in the fireplace, and so if we had

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recovered Bart's torso, there was one glaring question, where was

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Christa's torso let's quickly revisit the timeline. Chandler murdered his

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parents on July first, shooting them in the back with

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a semi automatic rifle. He then burned their bodies in

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the family fireplace on the night of July first, all

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the way into the early morning hours of July second.

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On July second, he bought a tarp at Fleet Farm,

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and later that day, at eight twenty two pm, Chandler

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bought a large bag of ice at a quick trip.

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He was also caught on video making this purchase. That

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same night, July second, Catherine Melender, Chandler's girlfriend, came over

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to spend the night. She slept feet away from the

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bodies of Bart and Christa that lay beneath her in

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a cooler on ice, all while Chandler tried to figure

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out what in the world he was going to do

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with them.

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And so when you were at his house, we kind

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of I mean, you went through a lot of stuff

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what you did there, which was pretty thorough.

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Did you where did you go in the house?

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Do you remember specifically where you went.

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Upstairs, living room, kitchen, you know, the downstairs living room, bathroom,

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anywhere else that you can think of.

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Garage.

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I didn't go in the garage and the basement.

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At all, not the basement though, Kat says that she

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never went in the basement or in the garage, but

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she did know it to a curious smoky smell on

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Chandler that day when you got.

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To the house. Did you notice any any smells that

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were odd to you or different?

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There was a smoky smell, but I thought it was

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because of the fireplace, like it being opened, and like

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you said, there was ash so and you know, they

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loved using that stuff, and he used the grill to

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make like some burgers for us, and that's why I picked.

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Up buns and like the.

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Pepper jack cheese and you know, wine rolls and like

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also watermelon, and so I thought it was that's where

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the smoky smell.

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Is coming from from. The grill or the fireplace in

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the house.

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From the fireplace, I don't know if the smell came

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in from the ground, mostly smell just like fireplace.

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Okay, Ash and some of the girls outside. Then, So

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did you see the fireplace? What did it look like like? Broken?

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It was like one pain I think on the left side.

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Yeah.

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And did you see like the blood in the glass?

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Was that all put it up?

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It was pretty much all picked up, except like a

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little bit of glass was still there. Honestly, I didn't

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see like a lot of blood, but probably because it

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was only a cut on his big toe.

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Okay, I see it all kind And what was by

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the fireplace? I assume the blood was by the fireplace?

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I think so. And I liked see it, you know,

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or he didn't see the blood.

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Chandler also had a burn on his hand, which is

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another thing that Kat remembers.

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Burned his hand. Yeah, did you see that happen?

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No, he finished making the burgers before I got there.

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Okay.

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He said he'd only used the grill like maybe three

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times beforehand and then burn his hand trying to do it.

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Sure, did you see where has not really maybe like

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this area?

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But I don't really.

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Specifically recall all during that fourth of July weekend, Kad

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and Chandler were both picking up bags of ice for

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the large chest cooler in the basement. Of course, Chandler

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had an explanation for why this ice was needed.

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Did you ever have to buy ice?

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Uh?

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Yeah, I.

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July third he picked up some ice because he said

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the their ice machine in the basement was broken, and so.

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Yeah, I got I ordered some ice for pickup on.

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The July third, which was Saturday, and he did that pickup.

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But on Target the app you can add a pickup person.

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But he also has my Target app on his phone

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and he's also picked up some jalapeno peppers slice pickled.

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It's really good. I drink the juice. But you can

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see the pick.

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A person Katherine Mellinder Chandler Holderson East And you also

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want to scratch out on that one. Please, what time

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was the ten thirty six am?

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How much ice did you order?

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It's the seven pound bag. The dollar fifty nine has

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it in the receipt you'll see it, my son and o.

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Kat offers her phone to the detectives at this point,

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and although we can't see the screen, we can guess

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it's a copy of the target receipt. This is something

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that Kat does throughout her interrogation. We've already heard her

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do it a couple times before. Her willingness to offer

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evidence of her actions throughout her interview stands in stark

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contrast to that of Chandler, whose interview we now know

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turns out much different than Kat's. Kat's stories all check out.

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They're based in fact, and they're verifiable. Chandler's version of events,

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on the other hand, is based on lies, deception, and

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the false reality that he's created for himself and in

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which he had been living the majority, if not the entirety,

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of his adult life.

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Have you just curious the ice causine that's in the basement.

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Have you seen that?

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Yeah, it's like one of those Is it a counter

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one or is it built in or.

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It's like a counter one.

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So they have like two freezers because missus holderson overvies

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and she would just put some in the freezer.

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This her favorite thing.

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But they have this drink fridge type thingy m, like

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that's where they keep.

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Their beers and like SODA's like a little fridge.

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Yeah, and then it was sat on top of the

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last time I saw it, okay, because I've seen them

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where if you can.

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Actually have them built in the counter like these huge

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ice makers and fancier houses, you know. And I didn't

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know if that's what they had or just a countertop

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one or our top one.

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Yeah, since they were doing so much modeling, I thought

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that we'd want to put something in. Okay, it's one

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of those countertop ones, and that works fine. He said

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it was broken, and that's.

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Why he follows that. I too, and the ice maker

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up on the freezer or upstairs. Yeah, they're both were broken.

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Yeah, that's all I said.

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Okay.

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It's July third, two thousand and twenty one, a Saturday.

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It's been roughly twenty four hours since Chandler's chopped up

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his parents and burned their heads, hands, and knees in

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his fireplace. Chandler and Cats are texting, and Chandler says

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he's going to the dump, except never mind because it's closed.

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Should I start at the top of Saturday?

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So we were like talking at seven thirty two, and

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I asked breakfast brutal question mark because I was.

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Making a breakfast for when he was done with chor so.

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It sounds good.

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I'm doing shit kind of slow TV because I'm kind

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of sore. I'm like, I could have helped you this morning.

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It so yeah, I know I'm going to the dump.

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I'm like, by yourself, did you low the car?

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By yourself?

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You can barely walk.

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I should have at least helped with that. It's like,

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never mind as cloed, I'm like, oh yeah, holiday weekend

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and shit.

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According to Chandler, the dump was closed because it was

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the fourth of July weekend. But to better understand what

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actually happened this day, it's easier if we work from

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a timeline, which took me a little while to piece together.

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But here's what I came up with after listening through

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Kat's interviews with police multiple times. So Friday, July second,

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Kat spent the night at the Halderson house with Chandler.

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They slept on the couches in the living room, likely

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because Chandler wanted to keep an eye on Kat at

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all times to make sure she didn't go in the basement.

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Then Saturday, July third, Chandler and Kat wake up and

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Chandler tells cadd he has chores to do. Kat talks

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about these so called chores in another one of her

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police interviews and again mentions the local landfill, whereas we

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say colloquially in the USA dump.

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I was there and.

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Then I left in the morning because he wanted to

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do chores. And then I know what time I around

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the time I was home to a picture.

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Do you know what the chores were?

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Like?

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What does that mean? Chores?

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Like his family usually gets my housework, Like you know

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the grass outside the front of his house usually has

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to take that to the dump, probably make sure all

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the remaining glasses up, you know, do his laundry.

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Do you know what did he go to the dump?

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I think he said he wanted it was closed or

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that they were just closed. I don't know if he

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drove all the way there.

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And then.

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Oh time stand sorry.

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So on your Snapchat, do you manually enter your location

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or is it just through.

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Your whenever you open Snapchat it has your location?

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Okay, yeah, unless you turn it off.

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And so on Saturday, I was with my dog at

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eight fifty three am.

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Investigators were wondering exactly what you're probably wondering. Might Chandler

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have gone to the dump even if it was closed?

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And what exactly was he disposing of, perhaps something other

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than grass clippings.

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Investigation into Bart Holderson's homicide and Krystal Holderson's disappearance now

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stretches into Jefferson County.

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I'll take a quick break, and when we come back.

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Tony Galli has more from a landfill where investigators have

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been conducting a search.

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Don't go anywhere. Police spent days searching for Christa's body

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at the town Dump, a waste management landfill that was

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just outside of Johnson Creek. Johnson Creek is a small

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town about forty miles east of Madison, Wisconsin, and it

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would have been a decent drive for Chandler from his

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parents' house about forty minutes Saturday, July third. The waste

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management site actually would have been closed, not because of

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the holiday, but because that particular site was closed every Saturday.

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Could Chandler have snuck into the dump on the off day?

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Christa Halderson remains missing now. A spokesperson says deputies, along

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with the canine teams from the Madison Police Department, have

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been searching the landfill for several days. Haller's using the

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landfill here tell me that law enforcement work involves the

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use of an excavator and involves a relatively small area.

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Sheriff's officials say nothing about what tipped them off to

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a garbage offload here containing possibly something related to the

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Holderson investigation.

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They had multiple people searching through piles upon piles of trash,

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excavators moving piles of trash, and yet their search was

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in vain. The Dane County Sheriff's Office announced that they

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found nothing at the dump, but there was another key

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location that police had yet to cross off their list.

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Remember the pond that lay between the Halderson house and

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the neighbor who had the outdoor camera by his pool,

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the camera that caught Chandler burning his parents' heads in

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the fireplace. Well, that pond would make for an awfully

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convenient location for Chandler to dump his mother's body. Now,

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there was no evidence on any security footage that they

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could find of Chandler approaching the pond, But could he

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have made it down there from an area that wasn't

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on camera. It was simply too much of a possibility

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to rule out without first searching. The search for evidence

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in the Holderson case is back at their home this afternoon,

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but the search has shifted to behind it.

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The Dane County Sheriff's Office is looking in the pond

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outside of the home in Windsor.

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While they were winding down their search of the waste

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management site, police got busy with a team of canines,

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a dive team, and some heavy duty machinery to drain

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the pond from its depths of twelve feet to five feet.

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That's quite a lot of water. Our Taalil Muldine is

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live in the neighborhood tonight, Talil, what have you learned then?

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R The Madison Police and the Dane County Sheriff Office

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is actually working to lower the level at this pond.

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They began around two m draining the water into the

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Ahara River. The SRIB did bring in a cadaver dog

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earlier today.

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Not specifically sure what the K nine picked up on,

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but it indicated in a specific area. We marked that

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area out with the buoys, and that's what we're searching

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in a very methodical way to ensure that if there's

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anything of evidence revalue in this area, that we will

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find it.

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The science behind cadaver dogs and their use in police

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investigations is a little bit shaky. I don't know enough

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about it to really have an opinion either way, but

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in this particular case, the hit proved to be a

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false positive. Police found nothing in the pond behind the

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Halderson house. This would mark six total locations that police

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had investigated and searched in relation to this case. Let's

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quickly review each one. First, we have the Halderson house,

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which we know yielded quite a lot of evidence. Second,

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we have Cress's property, Cottage Grove, which yielded multiple tools

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which were used in the dismemberment of Bart Halderson's body,

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and of course Bart Halderson's headless Torso next up are

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the three locations that yielded nothing. The first of which

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it's been a while since we covered, but remember way

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back when police searched the Halderson vacation cabin up in

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Langlade County, Chandler concocted the lie that his parents went

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up there on the fourth of July weekend to gamble.

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The second location that yielded nothing was the landfill at

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Johnson Creek. The third the pond behind the Halderson house.

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So that's five total locations that police investigated and searched.

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So what was the sixth location turned out to be

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a little piece of land out in Columbia County, Wisconsin,

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right next to the Wisconsin River. We'll come back to

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this search as it would prove to be pivotal to

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this investigation. For now, I want to take you to

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July eighth, one week after Chandler murdered and dismembered his parents.

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In the day that Chandler was interrogated and formally arrested,

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Chandler Alderson was taken into custody and charged with providing

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false information about a missing person. He refused to give

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investigators access to his phone, and curiously enough, Chandler had

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told his own family members in the days leading up

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to his arrest that they didn't need to comply with

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police officer's requests to search their phones. This is obviously true.

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The First and fifth Amendments of the Constitution established the

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right to privacy and emphasized the autonomy of the individual,

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especially as it relates to the state. But this also

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doesn't mean you can't volunteer to cooperate with a government agency,

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especially when it's in the interest of fid your missing parents.

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Chandler was supposed to be playing the part of the

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worrisome son who was desperate to do anything to find

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his parents. But just like everything else he had attempted

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in life up to this point, Chandler failed miserably at

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this task. He did almost everything you could think of

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to draw suspicion to himself, which left his family and

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friends wondering why he was complicating the investigation. I want

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to play for you some of the testimony of Hannah Hilgendorf.

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I should note she's actually not technically Chandler's cousin by blood,

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but her mother was a close friend to Christa in childhood,

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and this was a friendship that continued well into adulthood.

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Hannah grew up with bart and Christa almost always around,

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and she looked up to them as her aunt and uncle.

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When they went missing, she was not only concerned about them,

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but also about Chandler and his mental health. She thought

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that he surely must be struggling with the stress and

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worry that your parents both suddenly going missing would bring.

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But when Hannah arrived at the Holderson house with groceries

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for Chandler to cook him up a meal right away,

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she felt off about the entire situation.

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My name is Hannah Hilgendorff. How old are you, Hannah?

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I am twenty five years old. And what do you

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do for a living? I am a nurse?

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All right?

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Did you know two people by the name of Bart

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and Krista Holderson?

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Yes? How'd you know them? My mom was best friends

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with Kristo growing up, and then.

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She met Bart and we've known. They've been a huge

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part of our lives, our entire life.

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In fact, you called a man and uncle.

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Yes, so I said, man, like she has is like

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home all alone there, you know, like without.

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Them, like this is so sad. And so we run

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inside and we had just bought some food to cook.

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And we were going to go cook it at their

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house because we're like, let's just go over there now

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instead of cooking it here, We'll just go run here

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and say.

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Hello to him.

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And when we pull in the drive, I just remember

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like there was the das were there or detectives. I

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don't know what you guys are, okay, but you guys

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were there, and then the police, yes, and playing clothes okay, yes,

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the police.

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I don't know what they really Okay.

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So I was like, whoa, this is like crazy, you know,

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like what is like going on?

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So we go inside and.

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Yeah, it's like my mind was just like, this is

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such a weird situation and I want to not be

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here at all anymore, Like from the moment I walked in,

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I didn't want to be there at all or you know.

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So what do you mean when you say it was

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a weird situation. Well, first off, the police are there,

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you know, And I didn't know.

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At all like anything of this caliber could be possibly

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ever be going on, that I would ever experience this

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in my life. And the feeling I received from Chandler

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was different to me than that of.

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That I normally feel from him, and so it was

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it's just weird, Okay.

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You know, I gave him a hug right when I

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walked in, and it wasn't like, oh my god, good

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to see you, you know, and I know that his

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parents were missing and stuff, but it's it was just

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a different He seemed different than he normally does not,

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as he's the more like warmer one usually.

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And he was less warm on this occasion. Yeah, I

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would say less.

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Warm on the stand. The twenty five year old Hannah

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is visibly anxious. She wears a facial mask as This

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trial occurred during the resurgence of the COVID nineteen pandemic

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in twenty twenty two, and you can probably tell just

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from the tone of her voice and speech pattern that

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she is not comfortable in this situation. She makes particular

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hand movements and intermittent eye contact that further emphasized this point.

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Yet I want to give her credit because I think

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Hannah handled herself incredibly well considering the circumstances.

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Okay, sorry, I get off the beaten path. And then

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I'm like just telling you that's okay. I know you're

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incredibly serious. Yes, I'm just weird vibe and this is

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just not somewhere. I just didn't feel very safe, like

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I felt. I don't know how to explain it, but

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this is It's like I'm sitting in the middle of

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what now seems to be a crime scene with somebody

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who is acting differently than I'm used to, and it

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just doesn't feel like a good idea.

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What if anything, did Chandler say about his parents being missing?

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Okay, he said, you know, in the moment, he told me,

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you know, they're probably just out of casino.

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What do you think of that comment?

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There's no way there's just no way that they are

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like just the sweetest loving people you ever meet, and

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there is no way that you know they would have

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ever put anyone that they love or care about in

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a situation where they're worried about where they are. You know,

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She's like, do you need a glass of water?

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Do you need this? Do you need that? Like very sweet, loving,

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like carrying people.

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I there is nobody sweeter than those two. Like they're

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anything that they can do for you, they're going to

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do it, and they would never put make anybody worried

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about where they are kind of people, and especially no

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way to a casino, Like she is a very modest,

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very kind of shyer person and wouldn't be doing that really.

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He just kind of questioned me, like should he make

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a Facebook post?

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Tell me about that?

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Well, we sat down and me and my sister went

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up and we were sitting at the main dining table in

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the upstairs and he said, I'm.

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Like, I don't know what to do now, like should

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I make a Facebook post?

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Like right after the police had left, and I was

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thinking to myself, I wanted to say, duh, you know,

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like your parents are missing. It's almost feeling like you

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have to think about how to act, you know, like

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if your parents are missing, you you go online, you

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tell everybody, you go to the police, like the day

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of especially a no call, no show to work. They

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would have never done that. So to ask me, you know,

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what you should do now? And should you make a

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Facebook post? Like how should you go about this? It's

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it was just interesting.

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This next clip is the part of Hannah's testimony that

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stuck with me. What Chandler said about handing their phones

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over to police.

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Did Chandler make any comments to you about giving your

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phones to police?

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Yeah, that's like the first thing we had discussed. So

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he said that if a cop ever asks you to

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take your phone, you do not need to give your

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phone to them because they you can show them everything

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that they need without letting them mirror your phone. And

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that was like one of the first things that he

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had said to me. That's why I was like, I

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don't know. I was like, are you kidding me? Your

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parents are missing?

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Again? In my head, your parents are missing.

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You had apparently had contact with your parents, which I

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had learned later down the road talking.

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To my mother after the fact.

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It wasn't my thing that I heard of, But I

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just it's just another thing adding to the story of like,

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your parents are missing, why don't you let them herror

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your phone so we can figure out if you had

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tried to call them, if we could see the location

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on the phone, or anything like that.

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And once again I have to point out there was

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no cross examination, no.

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Further questions, cross examination, I have nothing.

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Thank you.

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May this witness be released and excused? Yes, Miss Kilgandor,

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thank you very much. Have a good rest of your day.

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Even though police did not and would not gain access

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to Chandler's phone, they did have access to his girlfriend's

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found and Kat Melender was eager to help in any

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way she could. It's with Kat's help that police were

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able to tie Chandler to the exact location of where

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they would later find his mother's body. I'm tz I've

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first one we did was Dagan and this next one

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coming out in the next couple days is Polaris. And

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had three people sign up for a yearly producer membership,

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which that's like you're getting thirty dollars. It's like I'm

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writing you check the thirty dollars, not really you're giving

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me money. But anyways, you get the point. You get

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up one of our members' names, which I'm sure I'd

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do this a lot, but somebody reached out to me

544
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to try to help me with their pronunciation of their name,

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and they've been a member for about a year now,

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so I want to try to get this right. Their

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name is Mattel Eric Ala. They're from over in Finland,

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so Mittel, I tried my best to say your name.

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I hope I got it right. If I mispronounce your name,

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and you want to hear me correct it, shoot me

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some of you know, I think I've mentioned it on

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the podcast, but I've mentioned it on social media before.

555
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I grew up in Asheville, North Carolina, which just got

556
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absolutely wrecked by Hurricane I no longer live there, but

557
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all of my immediate family is there and just want

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to let you guys know everybody is safe. It's been

559
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about a month or over a month now. They still

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do not have drinking water, which is kind of crazy.

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And it's just been really sad to see my hometown

562
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get destroyed. Our house is okay, and everybody is safe.

563
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So that's the important thing. And I'd ask everybody who prays.

564
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If you don't pray, don't worry about it. But if

565
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you do pray or meditate or anything like that, maybe

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just put some good vibes out there into the universe

567
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for people who've lost loved ones there and people who

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are still missing. Thank you to the handful of people

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who have taken the time to write reviews for the show.

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We got a handful of new reviews over the last month,

571
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and I just wanted to read a couple for you, guys.

572
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I haven't had a true crime podcast come across as

573
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respectfully as it does with Tez clearly has so much

574
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empathy and respect for everyone involved in a case and

575
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:59.840
encourages its listeners to put their judgments aside and reflect

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on each situation. I'm sad that I binge listen through

577
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everything so quickly, but will eagerly wait for more, as

578
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he truly is a gem.

579
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Thank you. It's a very nice review. I'm not great

580
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at taking compliments, so maybe this is part of my

581
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practice at improving on that.

582
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I listen to many podcasts. Yours is so good I

583
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decided to become one of your Patreon members. This is

584
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a first. Thank you very much for extremely good analysis,

585
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articulating the stories and drawing in the listening audience in

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a powerful way. Respectfully, Dave M.

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And I'll read one last one about the Halderson case.

588
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This was just an incredible podcast that keeps you wondering

589
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the entire time. I enjoy listening to the hours and

590
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hours of a story that's well told, first person interviews

591
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.920
and jailhouse calls that were included at the end of

592
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each episode. I hope there's a follow up episode on Kat,

593
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the girlfriend, and the arraignment and the try excellent job.

594
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So I will say that we are going to talk

595
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a little bit about Kat and Chandler's relationship. We are

596
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.960
going to get more into the outcome of the trial,

597
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.320
and of course the arraignement coming up. I also have

598
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a couple of interviews for you guys that I've only

599
00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.880
played little parts of. Played a little bit of our

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interview with Smitty, who's the one who gave the rifle

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00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:31.119
to Chandler, the one he used to shoot his parents.

602
00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.519
I also did an interview with his bunkmate in jail.

603
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.280
That interview was about two or three hours long. It's

604
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pretty intense, I think. And I've got another interview I

605
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.480
did that was a couple hours long with a woman

606
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:53.039
who posed as a romantic interest to write a research

607
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.159
paper on Chandler, and she's met him one on one,

608
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.760
sat across from him and has some in sites into

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00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.559
his character that are quite fascinating. So do not unsubscribe

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to this season. There's a lot more to come. If

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you want to write us a review, you can do

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so on Apple, I think also podchaser dot com and

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the hottest podcast app right now is Spotify, which they

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don't have reviews as far as written reviews, but you

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can rate the show on a one to five star

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and you can also leave comments on specific episodes, which

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I'm sure if they don't already somehow that will help

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us in their algorithm get exposed to new listeners. So

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if you are feeling up to it or have a

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little bit of downtime, go on Spotify and leave us

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us five stars on there. Thank you to Augusta Trevororum

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who created original music for our show. Also thank you

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to twenty six hundred who allowed us to adapt one

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of his songs for our main theme. And until next time,

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try to enjoy the daylight.

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This is a lot of naked photos most people, is

628
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like people do it, they usually don't take just one.

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So yeah, yeah, it certainly doesn't reflect on anything that

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we think.

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Of your and or me. Tell you this, I do

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have an option in that software to read act Unity.

633
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Oh and you won't go to the twenty sixth But

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what you know now, I actually screenshots of some people's

635
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like facebooks.

636
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I was trying to stalk my friend's old hookup because

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we were.

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Like talking about Oh yeah.

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She was like, I was like, is this him Alex Ryan?

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I don't know if it was this guy, but there's

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also some like you know, instagrams of like some I

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think his name was Alex Fell and like I was

643
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just looking and then I saw Alex Ryan.

644
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So I checked Facebook.

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But that's also in my text messages and face times

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with her, because he like completely ghosted her. It was

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like a huge teat her name's Erica like America, as

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she likes to say, and that it's like that in

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my phone.

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But yeah, so I.

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Think that's the only thing other than my naked photos.

652
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I thought I explained that before I looked like a stalker. Yeah,

653
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it was just like trying to track him down because

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she's like.

655
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He ghosted me after talking me and saying he likes

656
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me so much, and then I didn't put out, and

657
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then he's like, goes to a bar and I'm sure

658
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:02.800
you had something with another girl. And finally I'm no

659
00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:04.960
longer interesting like Erica like America.

660
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Many ship no offense.

661
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:17.039
I mean, clearly, look at where I am.

662
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:18.039
Well, you know. The thing is is like sometimes you

663
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think you know somebody, sometimes you do your dough or

664
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.239
you know, it's it's it's okay, it's okay, it's fine.

665
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You know.

666
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That's we all have a life story, we all have

667
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.719
we learn from life lessons and you know, and it's.

668
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It's all good.

669
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So yeah til twenty six.

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H Yeah, I got a few boxes I'd rather not

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talk about.

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So I got Yeah, I think I have a big one.

673
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I've a big box of luggage dragging behind me.

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Now, yeah, it's this is just a little hump in

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the road.

676
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You know, it'll get better. It'll get better, big ass hump. Yeah,

677
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especially for first true lover.

678
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Yeah yeah, that's okay.

679
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Well, Putty the next I don't want to go out

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with you because I expect you're spraining processes.

681
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From Oh see.

682
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The thing is, he was already he was always like

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why did it take so many screenshots? I'm like, I

684
00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:10.000
have a poor memory.

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Record Keeping is important, you know. It's like I'd rather.

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Have things so I can remember them, because clearly I'm like.

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Like a born on there bus together.

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You know, it's like it just makes everything so much easier, Like, oh,

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this is what.

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I was doing that day, or like literally, when I

691
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was shopping with my brother that weekend, I took a

692
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screen like a picture of the like receipt to know

693
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how much I had to pay him back.

694
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You know, it just helps me remember because like I

695
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:41.119
used to not really much anymore.

696
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:42.360
I go through my photos and.

697
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Like delete them or like remember, oh, yeah, this is

698
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something I wanted to buy. I forgot about it, so

699
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I clearly don't want it that bad.

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Delete.

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Do you remember what we promised We're.

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Not going to lose anyone else close to us again.

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We score that we would always ei there for each

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other year no matter what happens, though, I promise that

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I'll protect you and protecting protect you.

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If you were a boy, I might obviously have a

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balling for you.

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If you aren't here.

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Calling, they're well, maybe I'm wond we should have a

710
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.480
crush on your.

711
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:29.159
Hey, what's that from?

712
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:31.280
What a dump?

713
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.119
Howld I know? Oh?

714
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:35.679
Come on, what's it from?

715
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:36.199
You know?

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00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:41.760
What's it from? For Christ's sake?

717
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.519
From a dark side

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God,