Nov. 28, 2024
S11, Chapter 14: Sauk City
A horrific discovery is made near the Wisconsin River...
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Mhm.
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Susanne takes you down to you can hear the most
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go violence and spin.
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Besides, then takes you.
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Down down, takes you down into a.
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Misty Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence
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and sexuality. Listener discretion is advised.
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I think everyone has a bit of a fascination with
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the dark Side.
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I myself always loved the dark Side as well. I
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think it's something that everyone secretly longs for and wants.
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That was more apparent as to what that would.
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Be and what do you believe it was?
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Body parts looks like a foot and a leg.
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The dark Side, the dark Side, the dark Side.
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To the public, it seemed like police were out of
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ideas when it came to the remains of Krista Halderson.
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The two tips that had come in involved a landfill
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and also the pond behind the Halderson house. Both yielded nothing.
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Yet we would later find out that police were keeping
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under wraps a tip that had come in a couple
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days earlier, on July tenth, just two days after Chandler
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Holderson's arrest, and this time this tip would not be
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in vain. A woman said that on July third, in
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the morning. She was outside with her grandkid and she
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noticed someone walking on Old Highway sixty down towards Highway
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one eighty eight in Sac City. The informant, who was
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still anonymous at this point, said they thought it was
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odd this person was walking away from their car towards
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the highway. The description of this person matched Chandler Holderson,
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and the location in SoC City where the suspect was
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spotted was right near the Wisconsin River. The identity of
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the woman who made this sighting and reported it to
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police was later revealed, and she testified in court.
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My name is Jill D.
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Stefano and Jill, whereabouts in the country do you.
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Live Saint Joe, Utah?
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And do you ever have occasion to visit this area
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of the country.
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The first time I ever did was this summer?
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And what brought you over to this area?
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My daughter and her fiance live here? Whereabouts do they
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live in Suck City? Two houses away from the river? Well,
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I guess there's woods before you get to the river,
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and across the street is a large open lot that
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is not public land.
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But at the time I first got here, I thought
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it was. It all looks like public land.
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Of me.
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It's all open.
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Sure.
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And were you visiting this summer around July third?
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Yes?
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And in that day on July third, in the morning
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between eight nine am, were you outside yes? And what
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were you doing outside that day?
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Playing with my granddaughter?
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And did you see anything that day that ultimately maybe
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you were asked about from the police in this investigation.
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Yes, what did you see?
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I saw a man who was walking away from some
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cars parked at the end of the street. At the time,
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I didn't know the river was there, so he was
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parked facing the river in the woods, and he walked
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away from it, and then he walked back.
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To his car.
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And mind you, I was watching my granddaughter. I noticed him,
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but I was watching her. And then I thought he
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was walking back to meet someone, and then he didn't,
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and he looked across the street from my daughter, where
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there's a big open lot, which at the time I
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thought maybe he was looking for a hiking trail. And
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then I didn't see where he went after he went
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back to his car. I assume now the only place
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he could have gone would have been into the woods.
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What stuck out to you? Why did you remember this
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or was there anything odd that caused you to remember this.
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Actually, no, at the time, I didn't think it was odd.
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I just thought it was a guy who was going hiking.
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And when I I met my daughter later it was
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my very first day in Wisconsin, I said, is there
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hiking trails around your house? It looked like there was
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a guy there going hiking. Then she says, no, people
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don't go hiking there. They go fishing, usually down by
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the river.
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This man that you saw, if you give us a
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general physical description of him, he.
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Was about somewhere in his early to mid twenties to
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maybe early thirties.
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Not real tall, maybe five ten ish, I'd.
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Say, either a dark hair or a dark hat. I'm
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not one hundred percent sure. And he was wearing a backpack.
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You catch a and were you able to observe what
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his race was?
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He was white? Well, I assume he was white based
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on his skin color.
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On July fourteenth, twenty twenty one, after multiple sweeping searches
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of the area, police found what they were looking for.
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Ryan Caputo.
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Ryamcap Uto, how are you employed with the Wisconsin Department
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of Natural Resources as a conservation.
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Ward and on that day, what was your assigned tasks
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or duties to.
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Help out the Dane County Sheriff's Office with searching a
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piece of state property for any evidence associated with the
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with the holders in case.
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How do you search those areas areas thoroughly by.
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Walking through them and trying to stay as close as
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possible to each other to make sure that you're not
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missing anything that might be between each other.
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Okay, Just what is that area?
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How would you describe it to somebody who had never
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been there.
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Yeah, it's part of the Lower Wisconsin Riverway, So it's
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just wildlife area, a lot of trees, some open grassland
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type of stuff, and it leads up to the river.
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Pretty thick with weeds that time of year, you know,
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in July a lot of smart weed, pretty thick area overall.
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And what town is it located near?
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Well, it's located I guess in the town of Roxbury
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for the most part. I mean, there's a lot of
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different sections of it, but the biggest would be Sack City.
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Okay. And the search took place on July fourteenth.
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Yes, when it came to Krystal Holderson's remains, the prosecution
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did not show the pictures on the overhead as they
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had in the case of bart Holderson's body. Instead, they
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handed out printed booklets for the jury. Because of this,
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we don't know exactly what the jury saw, and for
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that we might be grateful, folks.
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We are doing this, I should say, the state is
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doing this in a slightly different procedure than other exhibits.
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And obviously, as you may gather, similarly to the presentation yesterday,
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I think the state intends to demonstrate a step by
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step look of the discovery, culminating in what was discovered,
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which of course becomes the most or more sensitive or
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disturbing up the photos. You'll have these in front of
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you instead of on the screen. The same admonition that
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I gave yesterday applies today. You have to be able
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to have say it said you saw it. But whether
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you then look away, close the booklet, look at the
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picture examined, that's solely up to your discretion as a juror.
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You won't be keeping the booklets. They'll be returned when
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we're finished with this exhibit. But we're anticipating that this
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is an alternate method of showing things to you that
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we're going to attempt at this time.
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Go right ahead should allow for more detail. Observation. The
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exhibit number is in the lower right hand corner. If
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you would take one and pass them on warden, I
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would ask that you look at Exhibit one twenty five
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and could you explain to the jury what picture one
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twenty five is of The.
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Picture one twenty five is an aerial photo of on
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the center of it, you can see where the body
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parts are located. That myself and Kevin Kruber, who are
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part of the search party, what we located.
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Kevin Kruber is a paramedic and was called in to
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search that day.
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There's roughly thirty people on our team with the other
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medics and the rest of the Sheriff's deputies. So there
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are photos of what we found that day when we
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were doing our woods searching.
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Why don't we move on to Exhibit one thirty three?
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What are we looking at here?
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This is looks like maybe like the first part of
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where we initially found the stuff in the pictures.
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When I approached it, I saw toes in a foot
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and part of a leg and so on, so I
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knew I had found human remains at that point.
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And at this point, did you think it was one leg,
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two legs or something?
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Else, I didn't stick around long enough to figure it out?
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Sure, and why was that?
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Because it's gross?
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Fair enough you called the medical examine.
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Correct, had notified the Sheriff's office when I had located,
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and it's theirs to take over from that point.
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My first indication in the area was the smell. A
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couple of us put some flags in the market area
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that we all came in at the same point.
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And is that an attempt to disrupt the scene as
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little as possible?
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That was our thoughts.
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Yeah, okay, how would you describe what you found?
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So it wasn't immediately apparent to what it was until
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we found the other piece that then that was more
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apparent as to what.
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That would be.
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And what do you believe it was?
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Body parts? It looks like a foot and a leg.
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In the United States of America, in murder cases, as
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with most other legal cases, we often have to rely
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on circumstantial evidence. Then using logic and common sense, can
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make a conclusion based on the evidence in a case.
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Sometimes you'll hear the line that a perpetrator doesn't literally
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commit a crime on camera, or if they do, it's
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rare because that would just be a little too convenient
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for reality, except in Chandler's case, that's almost exactly what
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we have. Remember, we have Chandler on video burning the
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heads of his parents in the family fireplace thanks to
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the security footage one of his neighbors in the help
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of Scott Koontz in a science known as reverse projection
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that we learned about in an earlier episode. With the
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discovery of Christa's leg, the situation is not quite the same,
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but it has similarities. Not a video but a photograph,
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in fact, two photographs that placed Chandler Holderson in almost
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the exact location where they found his mother's dismembered leg.
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And did a witness provide some photo graphs of him shirtless,
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kind of by a tree.
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Yes, two photos don't go anywhere.
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One of the lead detectives in the case was approached
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by a witness who knew Chandler Holderson and had two
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photographs of Chandler in the same location where his mother's
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remains were later discovered.
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What are these?
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Those are pictures of Chandler Helderson.
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In the course of your investigation, were witnesses who had
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previously been in contact with mister Holderson talked to you
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about any photographs they might have of him. Yes, And
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did a witness provide some photographs of him shirtless, kind
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of by a tree?
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Yes?
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Two photos.
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And did that witness take those photographs or did she
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just have them because mister Holderson gave him to her?
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She just had those photos. On twenty three, is this
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one of those photographs of mister Holderson that you were
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able to obtain from someone?
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Yes?
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And I guess you are you knowledgeable of who the
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photographer was?
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I am not.
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You yourself have had opportunities to see mister Halderson in person, correct, Correct,
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including in that several hour long interview we just watched. Yes.
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And does that appear to you to be Chandler Holderson?
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Definitely?
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And then on twenty four just a different type of picture.
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Yes.
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The name of the person who provided these photos to
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police was kept anonymous, and the photographer is unknown. But
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what we do know is the content of these photos.
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These photographs were shown on screen for the entire courtroom
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to see. Both of the pictures show Chandler wearing oversized
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