Jan. 6, 2025
S11, Chapter 15: Hidden Motives
Is there anything we've overlooked so far...
Is there anything we've overlooked so far that could have motivated Chandler to commit this crime?
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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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Before we jump into the conclusion of the trial, the verdict,
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and the sentencing. I first want us to at least
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try to get down to some causes and conditions. Is
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there anything we've missed so far that might give us
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some semblance of an explanation for why Chandler did what
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he did. We know Chandler's life was a haphazardly constructed lie,
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a house of cards. But why had he built this
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house of cards? There are, of course, the obvious answers, reputation,
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gaining and maintaining the respect of his family and friends,
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and of course his partners. Many of the lies Chandler
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told were to playcate Cat, the fake SpaceX job, the
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fake insurance company job, the fake education, the fake volunteer
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job as a scuba diver, and the fake head injury.
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There was also Chandler's philandering, which led to him turning
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on his location settings and Snapchat, which in part led
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to him being caught. So we have reputation. Then there's
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the issue of money. It's another obvious one. Chandler lied
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about school and work, in part to steal from his parents.
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He took money from them that was likely supposed to
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be going to tuition, tuition that was never paid. Remember
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that Chandler had an outstanding balance of money that he
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owed Madison Area Technical College. And then there was the
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tuition money that Chandler stole that was never owed the
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college for the handful of semesters where he wasn't even
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in rolled ATMATC. There was also one other big payday
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we haven't really discussed, and that's Bart and Christa's life
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insurance policy. We have reason to believe that Chandler at
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least had some working knowledge that his parents had a
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life insurance policy that would pay out one million dollars
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in the event of their untimely deaths. So perhaps Chandler
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thoughts killing his parents would be a way to earn
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a quick half a million dollar pay day and a
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free house. So that's the obvious. But I want to
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propose a theory that hasn't been examined yet by anyone
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else who has covered this case. I believe Chandler was
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addicted to video games, specifically the game we discussed in
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an earlier episode, Escape from Tarkoff. In an earlier episode,
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I said that Smitty and Chaz met in Escape from
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Time Tarkoff, which was actually a mistake. They met in
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the game Arma III, which is similar to Tarkov. They're
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both part of a genre known as hyper realistic military shooters.
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The Escape from Tarkov game is where Smitty learned of
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Chandler's affection for the SKS rifle. Remember that's the same
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rifle Smitty gave to Chandler, the rifle Chandler used to
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kill his parents. Okay, but let's back up for a second.
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You might be someone who has little to no experience
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playing video games, and even if you do have experience
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playing games, you might be skeptical that a person could
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become addicted to a video game. And I want to say,
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I completely understand your doubt. I'd have hard time believing
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it myself if I hadn't experienced it firsthand. I have
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a very real addiction to sports video games, particularly online multiplayer.
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I know it sounds silly, maybe even pathetic, and I
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guess it kind of is. Let's say, for example, I
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boot up my PS five right now, log into the
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EA Sports servers. I could easily log the next twenty
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hours straight playing some type of online competitive MLB or
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NFL game, And I'm pretty confident that I could do
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that for the next five to ten consecutive days, or
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until my brain started to melt. There's nothing that I
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can think of in my life that I'd like to
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do for that many hours, except well, maybe drugs. Chandler
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wasn't playing any kind of sports game that we know of,
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but he was playing online multiplayer. And the same reason
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that some people describe these games as boring or repetitive
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is almost the exact reason why other people get addicted
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to them. In online multiplayer games, the gameplay never ends.
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Rewards in the form of rare items, supply, a constant
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dopamine rush, and winning. Man, I think I've always been
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addicted to winning in one form or another. Make no mistake,
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these kinds of online massive multiplayer type games are not
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your grandpa's video game. This is not Pong, this is
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not Space Invaders, this is not Tetris, although Tetris is
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pretty fun. These games are built from the ground up
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specifically to keep you playing. They usually charge some type
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of monthly subscription, although it should be noted Escape from
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Tarkov does not have a monthly subscription, so one time fee,
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but they also sell DLC, which is downloadable content expansion packs. Basically,
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the longer they keep you playing and the more committed
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to the game, the more money they make. I want
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to compare Tarkov to another game, perhaps the most popular
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online shooter in recent modern history, a game that if
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you haven't played, you've at least heard of, Fortnite. Now.
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I've actually never played Fortnite. In knowing my tendencies, I'd
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prefer to keep it that way. On the surface, it
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looks like quite a different game from the one Chandler
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was playing. Escape from Tarkov is hyper realistic, and Fortnite,
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which is also a first person shooter, has a more
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cartoonish appearance, targeting a younger audience. But they have a
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lot of crossover elements. They're both Battle Royale online PvP,
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which means player versus player. They have similar looting mechanics,
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time pressure, customizable loadouts, and each match is somewhat high stakes.
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All this keeps the adrenaline rushing, keeps you wanting to
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play just one more match. That just one more feeling
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is part of what makes online games notorious for their addictiveness.
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Examples of this potential addictiveness began popping up when Fortnite
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peaked back in twenty seventeen twenty eighteen, and believe it
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or not, Fortnite, a video game aimed at probably pre
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teens or teenagers, began affecting grown professional men in the
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United States in Major League Baseball, which I guess that
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makes sense. It's a group of young men in their twenties,
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another prime target for any type of online game. But
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in twenty eighteen, the Philadelphia Phillies first baseman allegedly took
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a baseball bat to a television in the Phillies clubhouse
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because his teammates were playing Fortnite during the baseball games. Quote.
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I see a couple players I don't want to say names.
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They play video games during the game. We come and
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lose too many games, and I feel like they weren't
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worried about it. They weren't respecting their teammates coaches.
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Also, during the twenty eighteen season, the Boston Red Sox
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banned Fortnite from their clubhouse, which perhaps that did work
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because they went on to win a World Series that year.
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So now let's briefly discuss the addictiveness of Escape from Tarkov,
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a game in a similar genre which averages half a
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million active daily players. I found a few entries on
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various Escape from Tarkov forums that I want to read
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to you, but first I do want to acknowledge something.
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There's a difference between a real bonafide addiction and perhaps
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just overdoing it. There's that habit to indulge in something
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and describe it as crack, like, oh, these are crack
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cookies or crack lasagna. But in a true addiction, the
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addict loses the power to say no. They want to stop,
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but literally can't. This can show up as setting down
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time limits or spending limits for themselves. Say I will
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spend thirty minutes tonight and zero dollars playing XYZ video game,
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and then four to six hours later and perhaps a
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number of DLC content down the drain, you're wondering, how
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the hell did this happen? Again, the mind does this
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particular mental twist to convince the addict that they made
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the decision to overindulge, which is the insidious part that's unmanageability.
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Most true addicts, whether it's alcohol, drugs, video games, whatever
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the behavior is, find they have to give it up
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for good, because once they start, they truly cannot stop.
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I could talk about addiction for quite a while, but
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I won't bore you with that. We should move on
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with the story. But I hope you can appreciate a
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little bit better at the difference between a true addiction
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and a small habit. The habit I can stop or
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moderate if the behavior gets out of control. I might
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be from time to time, but it doesn't take over
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my life. Now here's an example of what I think
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true addiction sounds like. To the Tarkoff forums.
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No joke. I'm scared by the amount of time I've
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been spending on this game. Lately, all my free time
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is playing Tarkoff. I haven't even tried to play anything
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else in six months. I just don't feel like it
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seems like it would be boring, although if you think
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about it, Tarkov is pretty boring and monotonous in its
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gameplay basically most of the time. I'm frustrated with this game,
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but I still want to spend all my free time
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on it. It scares me. And when I've tried to
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play something new, I haven't lasted for more than an hour.
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So I've owned Tarkov for twenty three days now and
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have clocked in two hundred hours. I might have a problem.
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It's been a long long time since I played a
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game this fun. Even with all the errors and all
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things the game has going on, I can't stop playing.
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Can anyone else relate?
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I've done cocaine constantly, trying to kick the nicotine addiction
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in nothing, I mean nothing has been disaddicting or worse
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for my mental health. Does it ever get better? Does
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the constant red and excitement ever fade?
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I want to go back to my conversation with Andrew
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Smith now, when I talked to Andrew Smitty about Chandler's
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potential Tarkoff addiction, To my surprise, my little theory was
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not shared by him. And being Chandler's best friend, someone
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who knew him better than most, certainly better than me,
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I do think it's important we take his perspective into account.
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It's kind of like a friend of a friend's situation
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and we just got really close.
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Okay, gotcha? Did when did you guys start playing Tarkov together?
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Was it just you go back and forth between the
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two a lot.
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Yeah, so I've got it like a genuine question for you.
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Is there like a is there a real hang up
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on Tarkoff? Or is there like is there something I'm
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not picking up?
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Well, okay, so here's my angle is.
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We're gonna play Smitty's reaction to my theory that Chandler
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was a video game addict right after a quick break.
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Well, okay, so here's my angle is I'm just wondering,
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I mean, like everybody else, right, like, why the fuck
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you did it?
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Right?
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Just in fucking sense, like sure you are dead, Like
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I have debt. I'm like, it's so much debt, and
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I don't fucking go out murdering people. Like that's not
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the fucking proper answer. God, damn it, you know what
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I mean?
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Yeah, exactly, And well, actually I just learned this. I
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thought maybe there was some kind of abusive thing, but
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apparently people who kill their parents, Uh, what's it called paracide?
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It's actually pretty rare that there's physical abuse going on.
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It's like it happens, it's like ten percent of cases,
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but usually it's about finances or control. The one thing
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I came back to I might have sent it to
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you was that his search history. In between hiding the bodies,
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he was searching how to complete quests in.
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Tarco like so fucking bizar. I'm just like, yeah, do
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you go from oh, let's go do this shit? Hey?
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How do I saw this question?
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Right?
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Quickly?
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Bro?
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You can't even do whatever you're trying to do right
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now correctly?
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thing that stood out to me. And I was reading
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more about how some people say Tarkoff can be really
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addictive as far as just compulsively playing it for like
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twenty or thirty hours straight sometimes.
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