Jan. 8, 2025
S11, Chapter 16: Full Interview with Andrew Smith
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I've decided to release this on the public feed too. Patreon members saw it early and with the option of video.
I decided to title this "Chapter 16" mainly for future listeners. It'll be better to experience this interview after first listening to Chapters 1-15.
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Testing one two, Testing one two? Can I just call
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him see for people? Hey, Smitty, let's going man? Can
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I can I call you right back from my computer?
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Hello?
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Hey, can you hear me? Yeah?
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I hop's up?
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Brou Hey, what's going on? Man? Thanks for making the time.
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Yeah, no problem. I rolled three joints because I knew
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there was gonna be some shit, so I might as
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well get prepared for it.
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Okay, okay, worried? But you said you were driving down
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to Colorado.
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Yeah, I was going too, but I ended up So
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I've actually got my retail sales license to buy like
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all that shit fullsale and I ended up finding someone
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last minute who would sell me a whole pound for
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a fucking full sale price.
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So oh wow, that's cool all right, and it's.
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All federally legal because of that lovely hemp.
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Though, I appreciate you doing this, and let me uh confirm.
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Do you like to be called Smitty? I know that's
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your like online name, but yeah, I'd prefer it's pretty cool,
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all right, man. So if there's anything like, as far
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as you don't feel comfortable, I don't want to assume
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that you know I know where your boundaries are, so
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if there's anything I know you don't feel. I watched
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your trial, but it's so I know you don't feel
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uncomfortable telling someone to fuck off, but just want to
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let you know you're perfect, Like I won't get offended
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if but I might ask something that you don't feel comfortable,
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so totally like, don't take offense, just tell me to
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fuck off, and no, you're good.
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I fucking uh, it's funny. The only reason that got
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the angers you got was because she started asking me
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really dumb ask questions, trying to waste She tried to
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discredit me in the worst possible way, and it pissed
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me off to where I fucking retaliated, like right, right,
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And I don't think I told her to fuck off either.
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I think it just came out in such a way
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that I pronounced it that it told her to fuck
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off on accident, right, actually said it.
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No, No, you didn't literally.
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Like anger that was in that fucking sentence.
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I think you said it is quite frankly none of
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your business or something along that way.
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Yeah, something like that, But everyone knew what I actually said.
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Well, I do have to say, in her defense, it
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was like the only time in the trials, she actually
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tried to present a defense or like even cross question anyone.
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I don't know if you saw any of the rest of.
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The definitely chose the wrong one.
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Yeah yeah, well, uh yeah, man, did you actually watch
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the trial? I'm actually I'm kind of curious.
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No, I didn't. I only learned enough from what I
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had picked up from reading shit through the news and
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then like, huck, what is it between the TV I
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and the weed? It's breaking my head right quick?
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Yeah? Yeah, I feel you did. I'm sorry, Oh, I
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was just did you watch uh did you watch that?
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Yeah? No, I didn't really watch any of that ship.
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I just skimmed some portions enough to where I was
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confident that I was confident that he was guilty and
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what he did.
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You know what I mean, right, I feel you that
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makes sense? Well man, what what did you say? Did
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you say you had a TB I was that.
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Yeah, it's a traumatic brain and drink. I had a
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humby accident when I was in Germany. I actually had
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to submit a FOI request to the government for the
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fucking accident report.
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Oh wow, that's uh, that's intense. Uh, hang on one second.
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I just want to make sure I'm actually recording this, Okay,
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I am, You're good. I've done interviews before where I
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gotten to the end and I wasn't recording it, like.
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Will you please talk to me one more time?
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It doesn't usually work out. Oh man, Well, hey, that's
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actually a question I had for you. Can you tell
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me a little bit about Germany? Like how long you
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were stationed there? And did you meet Jazz while you
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were over there? Had you already met him online before that?
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I met him when I was stationed over in Germany?
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Okay, and that was what year was that? Do you
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remember twenty eighteen? Mm?
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Yeah, I want to say it was end of twenty
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eighteen ish or early ish or twenty nineteen, maybe whenever
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my son was born. I know he was born in
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twenty nineteen. Okay, so sometime in twenty nineteen in the
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early couple months, okay, the four months.
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I think?
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What are those.
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And did you guys meet in Tarkov or was there
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another game? Or that was the Arm of three Armor three? Okay?
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I've never played either of those games. But is Arma
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similar to Tarkov? Or no?
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So Alma is a you have to go Okay, so
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it's either you go and spawn into a world and
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you hunt for gear and then you kill people. Or
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you go and spun into a world, kill zombies and
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hunt for gear and still end up killing people. It's
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one of the same concept, same shit, you know what
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I mean. But it's not like as aggressive as like
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having to hunt for shit, you know what I mean.
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It's so much easier just fucking joining the world right quick,
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you know what I mean?
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Okay? Okay, So Arma is a little more casual.
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Maybe yeah, I'm a military stimulator. It's really casual gameplay.
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It's not really for not really for long time progression play,
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because it's really boring after you played for like a
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week or two, okay, because it's the same shit over
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and over again. You get into a plane, like Chaz's
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favorite thing was to fight looking hunt players while he
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was flying around in an F thirty five in Arma three.
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Okay, is that to like troll them or is that
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just a strategy to win the game or something?
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Or I don't know. I wonder if it was just
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been ap aggression thinking back on it, because he would
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go into or he would make him This was before
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I was close friends with him, but like actually friends
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with them. He would put himself into invisible mode to
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pretend he wasn't actually on the server, and he would
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go around and do whatever FU should, pretend to be
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a different character killing people on the server. Okay, that's
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the way he wouldn't get bothered by all the friends
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that he was just straight up murdering there and doing
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all sorts of other shit.
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Interesting, is invisible mode? Is that like a cheat or
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a hack or something.
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No, he wouldn't be invisible. He would just.
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Oh, oh, I guess that seemed profile to invisible.
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So that way you can track down if someone was online,
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like the only way you could tell if you were
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a fude enough. So like for me, for example, like
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the only reason I knew was because I shift to
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have seen his profile. I tro backtracked into my friend's list,
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and seeing he was offline, I was like, oh that
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makes sense.
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Oh interesting, okay. And you guys could talk to each other,
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like was it through discord or through the game that
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you could like chat during playing or something.
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We would chat in the game and then we would
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chat on discord over time.
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Okay. Do you remember like how you first became friends.
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Was it just you found yourself in the same army
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servers a lot or something.
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Or I had made friends with one of his friends,
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which was another abin on the server at the time,
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which because they were both abins, they were friends together.
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So it was kind of like a friend of a
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friend situation and we just got really close.
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Okay, did when did you guys start playing Tarkop? Together?
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Was it just you go back and forth between the
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two a lot?
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Yeah, So I've got it like a genuine question for you.
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Is there like a is there a real hang up
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on tarkof or is there like is there something I'm
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not picking up yet?
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Or well, okay, so here's my angle is I'm just wondering,
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I mean, like everybody else, right, like why the fuck
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he did it?
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Right? Just in no fucking sense, like sure you were dead,
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like I have dead. I'm like in so much debt
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and I don't fucking go out murdering people, right, Like
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that's not the fucking proper answer. God, damn it, you
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know what I mean?
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Yeah, exactly, And like, well, actually it's I just learned this.
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I thought maybe there was some kind of abusive thing,
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but apparently people who kill their parents, uh, what's it called? Parricide?
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It's actually pretty rare that there's physical abuse going on.
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It's like it happens, it's like ten percent of cases,
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but usually it's about finances or control. So I don't know,
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just in just in researching stuff, And like the one
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thing I came back to I might have sent it
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to you was that his search history, Like in between
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hiding the bodies, he was like searching how to complete
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quests in Tarkoff.
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Like, so fucking bizar, I'm just like, what do you
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go from? Oh, let's go do this shit? Hey, how
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do I saw this quest right? Quickly?
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Bro?
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You can't even do whatever you're trying to do right
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now correctly?
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Right? So I don't know that that was like the
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one thing that stood out to me. And I was
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reading more about how some people say Tarkoff can be
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really addictive as far as just compulsively playing it for
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like twenty or thirty hours straight sometimes.
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See that's something I've never heard before. But then again,
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I'm not a hardcore tark player. I don't get into
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games like that where it's Tarkov's the game where you're
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supposed to go out, you kill people, you steal all
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of their ship, you expel and then you drop all
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of their ship off in your crib, and then you
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go back and repeat it again. Just keep trying to
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your best over and over again, killing people in vice versas.
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That's all Tarkov is.
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Right, right, like a extraction shooter or something.
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Yeah, something other like that gotcha.
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So you never got that vibe though. It sounds like
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you never were like man Chaz is like addicted to
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this game. You never got that.
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No, like you would play like all sorts of shit.
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Well shit, I want to all right now that I
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have like memories come in. Yeah, I like thinking about it, like, yeah,
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I did play the fuck out of Tarkov, but like
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not super aggressively, you know, like I still had a job,
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Like I have a son and well my ex wife,
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now you know what I mean.
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Right right, I gotcham So he might have been playing more.
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But but but even so, you never really got that
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suspicion or nothing really made you think, right, I didn't have.
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That idea that he was just sitting here fucking off
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all day playing video games like he seemed like he
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was actually like had a genuine job.
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Right right, So is that possible in retrospect though? Since
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he didn't. He wasn't in school, and he wasn't working
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that he was just playing video games.
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Or like, yeah, probably, like, but I was confused about something.
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Something always stood out to me, and I don't ever
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I don't actually know if I ever brought it up
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to police, because I don't think I thought about it
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at the time. But there was something that kind of
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stood out, and I was really strange. It was the
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fact that when I had visited him, his mom had
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made some big show about this check hit came in
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It's the big one and like looked at him and
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kind of like did a happy like shake smile. Weird thing.
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I don't know, but I'm just trying to understand where
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the fuck did this money come from? If he was
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just fucking.
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Off all day, Yeah, that's interesting.
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Who was he robbing? Like or not necessarily you know
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what I mean?
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Though, Yeah, I had that question to myself, like where
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was he getting any money? I know he wasn't really
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you know he had that he had well, at least
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I learned in the trial. You might know this that
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he was he said he was working for the insurance company.
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That was lie, right exactly. And then one of the
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