Jan. 15, 2025
S11, Chapter 17: Closing Arguments
As this case winds down we have a tale of...
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He had two options own up to his lies, stand
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up and finally tell the truth for once, or like
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a coward, shoot your father in the back. And that's
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exactly what happened.
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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions of violence and sexuality.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I think everyone has a bit of a fascination with
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the dark side.
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I myself always love the dark side as well.
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I think it's something that everyone secretly longs for and wants.
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We're here because of the deaths of mart and Cristal Holderson,
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and they are dead, there's no doubt about that. But
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on some level, whoever Chandler Holderson was died years ago
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as well.
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Yes the date July eighth, two thousand and twenty one.
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In a matter of hours, Chandler Holderson will be placed
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in handcuffs and for the first time, taken into police custody,
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charged with providing false information on a missing person's case.
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In what would prove to be the last few free
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hours of his life, Chandler scrambled to try and steady
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the House of Cards, which was swaying around him. His
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first mistake that day was using a non anonymous browser
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to perform Google searches such as Wisconsin dismembered body found.
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Mind you, this was before it was made public that
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Bart and Christa had been dismembered. Chandler's next move was
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to begin scrambling around his neighborhood to try and track
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down anyone who might have a doorbell camera pointed at
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his house. At this point, he couldn't keep track of
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the many lies he had told his family, friends, and
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most importantly, the police over the previous days, and he
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shuddered to think video footage might confirm the exact times
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that he had left and entered his house. We covered
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the first neighbor in the previous episode, and now Chandler
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approaches a second except this particular neighbor just so happened
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to be a retired cop, and he immediately sent something
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was off about the situation, specifically about Chandler.
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Well, being a police officer for many years. I felt
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all right. I suspected something wasn't right based on my
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observations from the day before. I saw three squad cars
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outside the Haller and Hollerson house for an extended period
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of time.
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So you recorded the interaction I.
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Did definitely didn't me. I think we might want he replace.
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When Yeah, we wanted to first and move over there.
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I think we met. Sorry about what's going.
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On, what it is, but I was wondering if.
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You your camera, you would have a writing Now does
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a kick up the road?
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Yeah? Some it does.
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Would you have any notifications from Friday morning, Kurby before
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six fifteen?
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We can check, that's not a problem with that before fifteen, Yeah,
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before six fifteen, kind of since Thursday midnight.
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Okay, any notifications? Okay.
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I my wife is one and I thought to run that,
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so I'll have her pull it up on the computer.
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Okay, with your name Chandler Chandler okay.
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And you do you have one brother? And I was
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gonna say when you move when your parents moved in there,
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I remember meeting two boys.
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Okay, what's your brother's name?
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Sure, okay, yeah, I don't know if i've met in
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interviews since Yeah, it's eight it's a while.
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Yeah, Okay, call me if.
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You need any anything appreciated, Okay, Okay.
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If you can think of anything, you give me a
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ring or.
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The the Just from my law enforcement background, the best
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thing you can be doing is being in constant contact
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with the detective. That's a signed to the case. If
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I was you, I would be lighting this phone up.
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What's going on?
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Where things have?
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You know?
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Just being in constant contact, they're gonna well, and the officers.
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Know where your parents work.
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Okay, so they're doing their trust me, they're doing what
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their jobs are, so that should all be covered.
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And then's I would it all just say?
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In contact with the cops, they're going to buy us
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for more information that they have questions from the answer
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the questions whatever you've been doing of assistance.
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When Chandler returned to his house after his visit with
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the retired cop, he was no less unnerved. He sensed
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his neighbors suspected something, and now he knew they had
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already turned over whatever footage they had to police. It
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was only a matter of time before police would be
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able to track the exact day in times he had
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entered and left his home. Would they be able to
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pin down exactly when he had purchased the ice from
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the gas station or the tarp from the hardware store.
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What about the times he had left the house to
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scatter his parents' dismembered bodies across Madison and the surrounding counties.
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Chandler entered a fit of full on paranoia, except can
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you really call it paranoia when it's true? This was
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more like a reckoning. Chandler paces methodically back and forth
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across the wooden living room floorboards of what used to
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be the Halderson family home, except precisely one half of
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that family no longer exists. He stops every few minutes
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to peer out the front living room blinds at two
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squad cars parked outside his house. And then Chandler does
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what any good died in the wool narcissist might do.
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He calls the police, specifically the lead detective in the case,
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and demanded to know what was going on.
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We're looking, hus I got two squads parked right outside
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of my house. They're not really camvushin, they're just kind
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of sitting there.
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Everything all right, Yeah, I mean they're in the area
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doing canvas scene and they're also probably doing a shift
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change right now. I'll getting our second shift crew on
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around three three thirty.
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Oh there's poor now, something going on that we need
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to know.
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Well, they're probably doing reports, they're probably doing shift change.
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You know, they've been going around trying to get older neighbors.
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So I'm wondering if they're in the area trying to
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catch people know that they're coming home from work. I'm
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not sure. I haven't talked to any of them in
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just a little while.
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All right, Well, any news, brother, I haven't heard from him.
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No, As far as I know, they're still on their
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way up north a couple hour drives.
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So he's probably halfway into it, right.
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Uh, yeah, I suppose about.
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Yeah, any news on your end at all? Have you
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gotten any phone calls, text messages, gotten.
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Any messages over them from concerned parents? I can't. There's
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no mail, I got it. There's a hole on my mail.
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Okay?
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Is that that normal?
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I are you guys getting it at least?
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No, we don't put a hold on people's mail. I've
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never heard of that happening before.
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There's a hold on my mail. There's a ticket in there.
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All mail held at the station, is what it says.
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Okay, Yeah, nothing done by us, that's for sure.
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Is that really my medical bills?
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Yeah?
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No, we wouldn't put a hold on people's mail, and
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typically only the people that live at the address can
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do that.
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Did your parents put a hold on the mail. Does
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it say who put the hold on the mill?
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Can you go check? I suppose.
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Do you know of anything?
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So, I don't know. It's kind of stressful. Sorry.
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So there's nothing new going on, not that I'm aware of.
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All right, Yeah, who's there there?
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You're at home?
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Story obviously because you're saying the outside, who's there with you?
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Yeah? No, I'm not with me?
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Four squads?
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Hi?
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Okay? Who was just talking in the background?
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Cat? Yeah, okay, so we're with me?
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Oh okay, okay, No, I mean I can definitely give
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you a call or message you.
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I guess, depending what time are you planning on going
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to dinner? I'm not sure, but okay.
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Pretty soon here. Any news about that blue house with
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the big cameras.
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The blue house with the big cameras? Is that the
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one across the street.
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Yeah, across the street kind of in the corner. It's
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a newer house.
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I haven't got to stop by the house.
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Yeah.
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I have a detective that's getting footage from the area.
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I don't know exactly which houses he's gotten video from.
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Oh, but yeah, you're downloaded all of it and already have.
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It at IP.
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Okay, so he's probably reviewing it now. Yeah, it takes
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time to go through those things. He figured going fast
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forward so much. All right, all right, well, I'll give
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you a holler if anything pops up, you know, and
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I'll give a call around and just kind of get
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a briefing from people up in the area.
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Yeah, I appreciate that.
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Okay, thanks Chandler, Thank you, Mike.
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Despite what you just heard, Detective Brian Schunk tell Chandler,
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the police were not there simply for a shift change.
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They were there to take Chandler and Cat downtown for questioning.
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As they might say, they're not formally arrested, they're not
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even handcuffed. But as Chandler sits in the back of
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a squad car alone Kat is in a separate vehicle,
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he feels his control over the situation fading into oblivion.
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I believe it's at this very moment that Chandler realizes
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he might have just reached the end of the line
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and this might be one of his last car rides
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he ever takes as a freeman.
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Luckily, tell me something, I honestly don't know anything.
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Do you think they're okay that they're doing this?
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Yeah, I haven't heard anything.
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I was out here earlier walking around doing the canvassing stuff.
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And that's basically what I've been doing.
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Up to.
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Officer, Yeah, what are they up to?
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You hear that?
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What are they up to?
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You know?
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They they went into the house.
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To go to the policies.
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They think you just went behind it. Did you just
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call me a suspect? One subject?
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Right now?
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We have a family.
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As the police take Chandler away to the station, they
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execute a warrant on his house and find numerous incriminating
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pieces of evidence. A number of key items are found
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in the garage which we have yet to discuss. Inside
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a pair of shoes in the Holderson family garage wrapped
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up in tinfoil. This is what police found.
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It that was wrapped in foil.
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This is then myself opening this foil wrapped item. We
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can see now Bart Helderson's Wisconsin issued photo driver's license,
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and we can see the Apple iPhone that is located
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underneath the driver's license.
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What is three point fifty one display?
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We can see Christa's Wisconsin driver's license and an additional phone.
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So both phones and driver's license were wrapped together in
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the same packaging.
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Correct.
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Remember that Chandler said his parents had gone up to
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the cabin on the fourth of July, and that his
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mother sent him a text on Saturday for forty seven pm.
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Krystal Holderson's phone text Chandler's phone, what does that say?
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Made it safely?
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Can't get anything through?
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And yes it's packed, going to White Lake today for
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the parade and we'll be home Monday night Tuesday early.
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Love you lots.
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The use of the last phrase love you lots with
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exclamation points that had occurred at other times in the
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messages with Krista and Chandler.
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Yes, I had that message that was supposed to be
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sent by Christa while she was at the cabin. According
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to GPS, was actually sent from inside the Holderson's house.
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What are we looking at there?
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July fourth?
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His phone has activity for the first time in several days,
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