S11, Chapter 9: Where Was Cat?

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Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions
of violence and sexuality. Listener discretion is

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advised. I have a confession to
make a messed up. There's a part

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in the last episode that I got
in correct. It doesn't actually change too

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much of the overall story, but
it's a big enough detail that I feel

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the need to correct it. I
even thought about going back and re editing

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chapter eight, but it's already out
there in the world, and I don't

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want to make you have to re
listen to anything. The mistake has to

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do with Chandler and his visit to
Cres's farm. I mistakenly said that Chandler

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never admitted to going to Cres's farm
on Monday, July fifth, the day

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after the Fourth of July barbecue.
But Chandler actually does admit to this.

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There was another part of the interview
where he talks about showing up the farm

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and then turning around because he couldn't
get in touch with Kres, and he

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says this actually happens on Wednesday,
July seventh. That's the day where he

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said he's afraid that they might shoot
him, and he says that Kres's dad

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actually shot at Buck when he was
over ninety years old. I just assumed

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when hearing this it was likely just
Chandler lying on the spot again. But

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randomly, when I was googling something
about this case, I came across a

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newspaper clipping from twenty eighteen that said, quote Cottage Grove hunter ninety one bags

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buck with help from daughter. It
has a picture of Krass with her father,

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And it turns out he actually did
shoot a buck at ninety one years

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old. The fact that Chandler admits
to visiting the farm on Monday and seeing

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Cres and Dulce makes a lot more
sense. He knew that they were going

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to tell police that they saw him, so I couldn't figure out why he

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would lie about it, And it
turns out the answer was for once,

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he didn't lie. This part of
Chandler's interview or interrogation is also quite interesting,

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and I'm going to play for you
now before we get into the rest

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of the episode. Well, at
the end of the day on Monday,

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I did go for the afternoon.
I did go to the farm to talk

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to Cress and Kat's mom. I
told him what's happening with my mouth because

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I had the appointment at two.
Did you go to the farm before or

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after? Because I told them what
happened to me, and I told them

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the legs are probably going to be
permanent and the headaches should be fixed after

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the hemorrhage is cleared. A little
bit. I talked to other mom and

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Cress together, and I think Cat's
mom is alright with me. She's I

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don't know if she wants me to
move into her the east side Cat's house

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instead paying rent as an apartment because
she doesn't like to live at home.

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Does Cat live with their mom or
Ka has an apartment? Okay somewhere.

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Yeah, it's on It's by Mifflin
the Party Avenue. It's by there.

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I'm they're talking to their mom and
fresh. Then I go up to have

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you know, breakdown by their shed
and they go swimming. Right by the

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swimming pool is the shed. So
there they wanted to watch me, like,

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you know, breakdown and all that. So after I noticed they're just

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watching it, just walk over to
them describe breakdown to me. Uh,

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I actually cried, started kicking grass. She's doing a toddler tantrum. Ship

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Then I hopped in the water with
them. Okay, it was too late.

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I was in the water and you
realized Creston at the top, and

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that was uncomfortable. But I talked
to them more and that's when she brought

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up the housing situation. How she
doesn't like all my parents, like are

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I guess I don't know if she
knows them. She doesn't know that well

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she's left them, Okay. Crest
was saying that my cat's mom Cat's mom

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is speaks her first thought right away, so she's so they're offering me to

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get a job, live with them, work for while I'm working, and

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pay rent, and that's kind of
their their deal. I would have like

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a month for your friend there,
a month or two maybe if if they're

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thinking where Sunday so you're swimming,
they were going to break down? What

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were you having a breakdown about?
You ever have your legs? I don't

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know. I haven't just I don't
even know if they're done eating, like

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as bad as they can be yet. So that's that's not fun. And

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I think you were telling me last
night it was it's a symptom of a

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concussion, right, So that's not
it. That's a it's a symptom of

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nerve damage from the hit spine,
so it's permanent. I understand that,

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not the Yeah, so it's just
legs. I think it's a waste feeling.

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Is probably colossomy bag down the road
and all of that. But here

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we are Sunday. Yeah, and
then they're like, well appiche you stopping

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buy? So I head out and
I go. It was Monday afternoon.

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I go to dinner at that cat's
house on the east side. Okay,

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what time do you think that was? I had to be seven thirty I

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left the farm, which is Press's
seven thirty pm. Okay, now that

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we cleared that up, let's charter
forward. But first we'll quickly review all

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of the items that were found on
Cress's property at Cottage Grove. The biggest

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fond was, of course bars torso. There were also the various saws and

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tree clippers that were found inside of
a rusty oil barrel. And then days

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later, investigators found a plastic target
bag filled with bloody rags and brillo pads

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near Cress's garbage and recycling cans.
The target bag had a sticker on it,

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the kind that a store might slap
on for an online pickup order,

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and the name on that sticker was
Catherine Melender. You're looking at the garbage

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cans at the start of the driveway
with the target bag located inside the garbage

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can in front of it. Was
it the only item that was in that

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garbage can? Yes, it was. That is the sticker that was on

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the outside of the target bag that
has a Malender. Kammas see as the

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owner or excuse me, the person
that would have picked up the property from

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target and I know from the investigation
it's potentially Catherine Malender. Right when I

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opened up the bag, it was
an immediate smell of what I described as

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cleaning material. The closest thing that
came to my mind was like robbing alcohol,

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and then it was just overtaken by
a rancid, putrid smell. There's

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a red substance there that we can
see. Yes, what did that appear

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to be to you? There was
a large amount of red and brownish substance.

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Through my training experience, I recognized
this potentially blood out in the woods

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not far from Bart's torso. They
also found a green garbage can that was

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filled with a bloody tarp. This
tarp also had some pieces of yellow duct

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tape inside tape that would match a
roll found in the Holderson house. The

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waste of Bart's body had been wrapped
in a black nylon rope. His body

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was shirtless, but curiously, his
pants were still on, well kind of.

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They were covering his genitals, but
cut at the same place where his

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legs were severed. Remember that this
crime occurred in July, and months later

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in October, another huge discovery happened
on Cres's farm. This was when she

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was cleaning out her shed. She
noticed a set of boards propped up against

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the far wall, and behind those
boards was one last gift a chandler had

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left for her on the same day
that he had dumped his father's torso in

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her woods. Well, I was
organizing along the wall, you know,

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like I say, I was cleaning
out my shed, and I wanted to

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go through these like garden tools,
because I, you know, making sure

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I still use them. Were they
broken? And I was going to throw

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them away, so I would.
And then I was organizing, putting lumber

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where the lumber goes, the recycling
where the recycling goes. And so I

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lifted up a board and I saw
a barrel of a gun, and I

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thought, huh. Right away I
thought, what's my dad, What the

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heck has he got his pellet gun
over here? So I picked it up

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by the barrel and looked at it, and I right away recognized it wasn't

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a gun that I'd ever saw or
seen ever before. It just petty clear

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for the jury this kind before you
lifted that was behind a board. Yes,

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it was behind us a bunch of
There was like maybe four or five

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different boards there. Well, the
first thing is I just felt sort of

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the sick feeling, and I set
it back down, and then I went

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to ask my father just to make
sure that he didn't know about any gun

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in the shed. And I went
and asked, and he said, well,

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what does it look like or whatever? And I said, well that

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I'm just going to call the police. And then I called Krista, the

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head of the investigation. She had
left me in number, and I called

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her and spoke with her and told
her what I'd found, and she told

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me that she was going to send
somebody out. Bart's torso was transported to

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the Dane County Medical Examiner's office,
where a number of facts were uncovered.

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These helped to establish more precisely the
manner in which bart Holderson was killed.

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The first order of business was to
positively id the torso as belonging to Bart

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Holderson. Remember, there was no
head, no limbs, and so this

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task was a little more time intensive
than a usual id. So we often

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evaluate bodies that come in without an
identity, and so often they will come

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with a presumed identity. In this
case, we were told that they presumed

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identity of the body was Bart Halderson. We received imaging X rays of Bart

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Halderson that were taken while he was
alive, and we then compared those to

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the X rays that we took of
the body that we had in our office,

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and I found multiple points of concordance
that identified this body scientifically as Bart

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Halderson. Once the idea was made, they examined the various bullet holes that

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riddled Bart's body and we're able to
eventually establish roughly a manner of death.

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The circles on the right are highlighting
the severed femurs of the body. Basically,

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the body was dismembered with the lower
limbs removed, and the circles show

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the terminal ends of the femur bones. So the circles on the top and

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the bottom highlight the severed upper extremities
and the terminal ends of the humoroal bones.

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The circle on the left in the
middle in between those two shows the

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neck or the base of the neck
where the head has been severed. Slide

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six is a close a closer view
of the left sided or superior or closer

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to the head gunshot entrance wound from
the previous slide. And what when you

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look at a wound or an entrance
wound or whatever sort of wound under a

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microscope, what are you looking for? So sometimes we can see soot with

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our eyes without any assistance because there's
a black residue. However, in this

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case, there was decompositional artifact that
obscured and discolored the areas. And when

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you looked at the wound that is
pictured in slide six, what if any

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evidence did you find of soot?
I did not find a microscopic evidence of

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soot in this injury. So what
range do you put for this wound?

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For this I have indeterminate range because
I do not have characteristics that can tell

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me what the range is. Slide
eight represents it's a similar photograph, but

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it highlights a different gunshot entrance wound. Okay, the one that's more on

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the right or lower in the back. That is correct. It is closer

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to the feet than the entrance wound
that was previously discussed. And were you

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able to look microscopically for soot on
this wound. I did. There were

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granular particles within the dermis on microscopy
of the tissue I submitted here that were

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consistent with soot. Therefore, I
assessed that as a contact range gunshot entrance

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wound. So there was soot on
the skin. Yes, so contact range

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correct. And again going from back
to front correct. Flight thirteen shows the

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base of the neck around the area
of the right shoulder and it is a

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ragged defect that is circled in the
center right above that scale, and it

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represents a possible entry or exit for
additional for a third gunshot wound. Additionally,

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the bullet material that was found directly
underneath it, it's going to be

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impossible to tell if that represents the
entirety of the wound track or if there

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is tissue missing because of the proximity
to the severed head. So one thing

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that helps us determine whether or not
an injury occurred before or after death is

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the presence or absence of a vital
reaction or hemorrhage. So we've been talking

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about ME finding hemorrhage and areas of
injury. In the areas where the gunshot

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entrance was were there was hemorrhage around
it, indicating that the heart was beating

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when the when the individual shot.
Where I recovered bullet fragments, there was

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hemorrhage or vital reactions surrounding that area. However, in the areas surrounding the

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dismembered limbs or the head, the
upper extremities and the lower extremities, there

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were injuries, but I did not
appreciate this vital reaction. I did not

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appreciate hemorrhage in the same way that
I appreciated around the other injuries. So

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the mutilation occurred after death, that
is correct. Doctor. Did you determine

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a cause of death for Bart Holderson? I did, and what was that

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cause of death? As written on
page two of my report, I determined

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the cause of death was gunshot wounds
of the torso. And did you determine

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a manner of death? I did, And what was the manner of death

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for Bart Holderson? As I'm reading
from page two of my report, I

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assessed that the manner of death was
homicide. While the medical examiner was able

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to establish a number of key facts
regarding the manner in which Bart was killed,

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there was still a lot that we
didn't know. Which gunshot happened first,

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Were there more gunshots that might have
hit other body parts? What was

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the caliber or type of firearm?
Also? Where was the rest of Bart

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Holderson, and for that matter,
where was Krystal Holderson. Police still had

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recovered no evidence of Christa Cottage Grove, and the hunt to find her body,

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dead or alive was still very much
ongoing, matter how small and ultimately

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futile it would prove to be.
At this point in the investigation, there

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was a sliver of hope that Christa
might still be alive. Chandler and Kat

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were both interviewed on July eighth,
but only one of them was arrested.

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Cat was free, but word traveled
fast, and it wasn't long before nearly

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everyone in town knew that she had
been involved in what had essentially become a

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double homicide. She returned again to
the police station, this time with a

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lawyer. Thanks for coming up appreciate
it. Do it Okay, No,

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I'm doing a lot over the last
few days. Has or not? Yea

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in a week this last time I
sat in here. No, a week

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and a day. Thanks, And
just so you know that it's not lost

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on us how hard it's probably been
for you and a lot of other people

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too, So we're very appreciative of
that. So just you know, know

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that when we're meeting that, you
know, we keep that in mind that

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we do appreciate the stuff that you're
probably going through. Are you sleeping Okay?

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Not really to put me on some
stuff to hope it's it's really anxiety

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and stuff and like sleep, but
it's not really doing it. And then

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Daniel sent me up with trying to
talk to some trauma therapists and it gave

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me something for appetite, but that's
also not really helping. So it's just

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been a lot. Well yeah,
and you know, give give your body

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a break to like it's okay.
I mean, it's a normal thing,

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but it stinks obviously, but obviously
some days gonna better than others, and

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you know it's okay not to be
okay, especially under these circumstances. It's

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just if it gets to be too
bad. I hope you would reach out

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to someone you know. Yeah,
Can I ask one thing up front?

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Is there any way you guys can
change the narrative and the sheriff, even

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if it may not be fully true, to indicate that she's not the girlfriend's

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not a suspect, and that she's
not somehow somebody suspect unless you can tell

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me we do suspect that, because
it's just hard. I mean, she's

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twenty years old, two years out
of high school, and her phone's just

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blowing up. I've told her and
I think she's followed my advice to shut

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down Facebook, to shut down everything
that's a social platform, which is getting

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all kinds of friends of Oh my
gosh, I saw what happened with Chandler.

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What can I do to help you? Let me come talk to you,

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let me come spend time with you
in those things. So, and

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it got worse yesterday after the sheriff
had the press conference and the last question

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he took was is the girlfriend somebody
that you're pursuing? And you don't really

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answer the club Well, he kind
of dodged the question, which I watched

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it, and that's why I'm saying, is you know, just for her

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benefit if the answer could be at
this time she's not. I said,

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don care if she I do care
if she has to answer that, but

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just not to leave that suspicion out. Sure, when you look, I

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can look at that. I'll talk
to our PO and see if we can,

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moving forward, change our language up
a little bit. I would appreciate.

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I don't think that's not reasonable at
all. So far, we reviewed

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extensively where Chandler Holderson was on July
first, shooting his parents and then chopping

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up their bodies. Let's establish where
Kat Melender was in this timelot. You're

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listening to tapes from the dark Side. We'll take a quick break and when

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we come back. So the picture
that you have, yes, that's a

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promiscuous one. So I'm not trying
to be intrusive or anything, but I

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mean, is there a time stamp
on there or anything? Yeah, the

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promiscuous one is from Don't Go Anywhere. Let's start with Thursday, July first,

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the day that Chandler Holderson killed his
parents. Yes, that was Thursday.

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So you indicate that you worked till
five that day, which I think

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is normal. Correct. There's also
Hella, excuse my friend cameras in the

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pharmacy, and if you ask for
like the time I clocked out, they

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could definitely give it to you.
Okay, let's get you know, because

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I have to manually sign in on
the computer every time and it's down to

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the second. So that would have
been a Thursday. What did you do

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that evening? Did you Did you
go to your apartment, your mom's,

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Chandler's or someplace else. I think
I was at my apartment. Let me

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check. I usually it's weird.
I almost always say everything on Snapchat,

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and so like, if there's something
I don't recall, I try to check

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there first. I think I went
home for that one because on the second

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in the morning, there's a promiscuous
photo of me on my bed sheets and

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they're the ones at my apartment.
So I was there Thursday night, and

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yeah, I remember staying there,
meaning you at your place, the sublet

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place. Yeah, so the picture
that you have, yes, that's a

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promiscuous one. So I'm not trying
to be intrusive or anything, but I

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mean, is there a time stamp
on there or anything? Yeah, the

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promiscuous one is from Friday morning when
I was getting ready for work. Like

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before, I was getting ready for
work. It was July second, at

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seven thirty five am, because I
didn't work till eight thirty. Do might

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offend? Just verify that? Do
you can cover with your pumb if you

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want like that? You can see
the jimipe okay. And you said you

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could see your sheets though, yeah, and something. Yeah, you might

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see a little bit in the bold. But you see in the corner,

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how there's bumblebees. How about we
want yeah, please took your hand off

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and let it. How about we
won't look and you can just take it,

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okay. So that's the bumblebees yep. And you see that quilt right

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there, that's my top sheet pretty
much. It's like a cast I don't

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know if you shot have a target, but it's castaloona knitted okay, And

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so it's like my knitted like it. I haven't even taken it from my

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apartment and I haven't changed the sheets
or anything. Okay. So Thursday,

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July first, Kat gets off work
around five pm and she drives home.

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All of the security camera footage that
police gathered supports this cat had to be

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back at work at eight thirty am
the next day, and at seven thirty

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five am, she sent a nude
picture through Snapchat to her boyfriend Chandler.

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The print of the bed sheets on
her bed confirmed that this was where she

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was when she sent the picture.
On the first we noticed that you face

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time with the Chandler. We face
time almost every night. Okay, we

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know you did that day, and
we'll just assume you did every other day

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too. But anyway, pretty much
looks like from we've noticed a screenshot because

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I actually was the one that downloaded
your phone, but only on the days

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that you ask you authorized to be
clear whatever, none of my business.

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But anyway, he's in the shower
in that one. Okay, yeah,

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we do that quite often, Like
we'll set it up for like taking a

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shower. That's fine. My question
is just do you ever like what his

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demeanor was or like, was he
different than usual or anything like that?

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No, just like tires, We
were like joking, remember you know,

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we were joking as usual, talking
about our days. Yeah, do you

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remember what he talked about, like
when he did that day or anything?

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Not really, Sorry, Usually I
mute myself and that's like around the time

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his parents are usually home, So
like I muted myself and then like he

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was trying to talk to me and
I was like, he was like,

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no, it's fine, they're not
home right now. I don't know if

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you mentioned they are doing like a
pickup because Ms. Holderson she's really scared

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of coronavirus, so she would just
do pickups like everywhere, and miss it

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wasn't unusual for mister or missus Holderson
to do a store pickup. I think

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he mentioned that, give me like
I pick up when you buy stuff.

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Yeah, like you forget that happy
hit pickup. So I remember him mentioning

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that, and I think I was
unmuted when we were talking. Yeah,

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she makes another mistake. He tells
Kat that she doesn't have to put herself

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on mute because his parents weren't home
yet. When he was interviewed by police,

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he stated they all ate dinner together
and never mentioned either of them leaving

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the house that night. According to
Chandler, this was also the night of

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the so called shrimpless scampy, not
that it really matters, but scampy means

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shrimp in Italian, so the term
shrimpless scampy makes no sense. Then we

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just kind of hung out and my
mom gets home. And I start the

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I start shrimp scampy for my dad
because that's what he wanted, but we

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didn't have shrimp, so I made
shrimpless scampy. At around seven forty nine

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pm, Chandler and Kat FaceTime.
Well, Chandler is taking a shower and

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I can help. But wonder if
he might have needed two showers that night

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because the plans he had for his
parents after chopped up their bodies, well,

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if things were already messy, they
were only going to get more.

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So he goes on. Him and
his dad would go on bike rides,

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like from their house, like they
talk about like a path they go on,

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and like they take walks there too, like the three of them with

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his mom and dad. So was
he a swimmer? Yeah, he swim

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it states his mom would take hims
like every he like varsity freshman year,

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many medals. Okay, yeah,
super good swimming. That's where you just

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set them, I'm assuming. Yeah. He was also a lifeguard and he

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did diving. So for myself and
I think many others, this is the

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fasting thing about this case. Bart
and Crystal Holderson not abusive parents. Quite

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the contrary. They were the kind
of parents that almost any kid would dream

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of having. Their only crime was
loving their kid and perhaps trusting him too

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much. And make no mistake,
this was not a clever crime. This

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was not an impressive crime. This
was a pathetic, sloppy, ugly murder.

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And what was about to come next
for the bodies of Bart and Crystal

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Holderson was possibly the most offensive part
of the whole damn thing. Coming up

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And until next time, try to enjoy

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the daylight. When you were at
Gander's house, do you normally have fans

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going or anything? Ceiling fans or
anything like that? We already got that.

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Where was I Commay likes to keep
them on? Okay, it's like

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so hot, Yes, yes,
I remember that. I think I was

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writing at the time, but I
do remember that. Now. You rather

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have that than the air conditioning,
the one air conditioner, no central air,

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okay, assumes it would have central. It's they're like updating everything,

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so like it was older, I
believed, and like they were just doing

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everything little by little and she was
getting like they ordered new windows in for

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like September and like, so the
only air was like in the kitchen.

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She rarely put it on unless it
was like a scortcher because you know,

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they're border colleagues are a dark side. God n