Dec. 26, 2022

S5, Chapter 7: A Few Bad Orchards

Could a new police chief in Mesa turn around...

Part 7-of-8 from the series “The Execution of Daniel Shaver”.

The complete series is out now:

Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 4
Chapter 5
Chapter 6
Chapter 7
Chapter 8


Could a new police chief in Mesa turn around the department…or is this apple rotten to the core?

Justice-4-Daniel shirts are now available for $20 (...not $30 as originally planned). All proceeds will go to Laney and/or charity.

darkside.launchcart.store/justice-4-daniel-tee/p/35yzz0

Support this podcast. — 50% of our Patreon earnings for the next two months will be donated to Laney. (*update, Laney has settled her lawsuit for $8 million and she may no longer need our help financially. If she doesn't then we'll donate to the group: The Institute for Criminal Justice Training Reform.)

patreon.com/tapesfromthedarkside

Follow me. — instagram.com/thedarksidepodfacebook.com/thedarksidepodfacebook.com/groups/tapesfromthedarkside

Music. 20SIX HundredAugusta TreverorumEmmanuel Witzthum

Our True Crime Podcast — Bizarre, lesser-known crime cases from around the globe delivered with respect, a bit of humor, and a smidge of song. — The Stranger in my Home: Carolina Killer — https://bit.ly/3V33H8n

 

Patreon
https://www.patreon.com/tapesfromthedarkside

Merch
https://merchfromthedarkside.com/

Leave us a Review (...it really helps!)
https://www.tapesfromthedarkside.com/rate/

Paypal / Venmo Donations
https://www.tapesfromthedarkside.com/paypal/

WEBVTT

1
00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:12.000
Tapes from the Dark Side contains descriptions
of violence and sexuality. Listener discretion is

2
00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:24.559
advised. Now we often hear from
police advocates that in reality, the problem

3
00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:28.559
is just a few bad apples who
give the entire police force a bad name.

4
00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:32.920
And to be honest, this is
what I believed my entire adult life.

5
00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:35.960
When I was growing up, I
went through a phase of a few

6
00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:40.200
years where I thought I wanted to
become a cop. I've mostly respected and

7
00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:44.520
admired police officers. I think it's
admirable that they put their lives on the

8
00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:50.439
line to protect us, to keep
our society safe, and to those committed

9
00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:55.560
to integrity and accountability. I still
do admire them. But the few bad

10
00:00:55.600 --> 00:01:00.479
apples narrative I begun to believe is
flawed. Happens when the roots of an

11
00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:07.159
apple tree becomes so poisoned that the
fruit the tree is destined to bear is

12
00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:18.719
just as rotten. I think everyone
has a bit of a fascinat sheet of

13
00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:25.760
the Dark Side. By myself,
most love the dark Side as well.

14
00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:36.079
I think it's something that everyone secretly
longs for. WANs do what happened?

15
00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:49.599
What happen? You gotta be a
man man man up the dark side of

16
00:01:49.599 --> 00:02:02.680
the dark Dark. Mitch Brailsford continued
to enjoy his thirty thousand dollars per year

17
00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:08.280
tax free allotment for his so called
PTSD. Charles Langley enjoyed the beaches of

18
00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:14.960
the Philippines with his wife, but
Laney continued to struggle with not just surviving,

19
00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:19.719
but how to raise two daughters without
a dad. The trauma of losing

20
00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.680
a parent is undeniable. I've seen
grown men break down over the emotional toll

21
00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:28.800
of losing their mom or dad,
and I don't look forward to the day

22
00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:32.000
when my own parents die. T
will eventually come, and so I can

23
00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:38.199
only imagine it's exponentially more challenging for
a child to come to terms with the

24
00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:43.520
reality of death, especially at death
as unjustified as the death of Daniel Shaver.

25
00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:49.120
After the murder of George Floyd,
America was a markedly less friendly place

26
00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:53.800
towards the officers in blue, and
some cops took to TikTok and social media

27
00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:59.120
to express how hard it was for
them to exist in this digital age when

28
00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:04.439
so much of the online conversation was
filled with vitriol towards their chosen profession.

29
00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:07.520
Laney responded to one of these videos, and I want to play it for

30
00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.240
you, man. Want it time
to be a cop in America right now

31
00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:15.960
where you can literally do your job
textbook, save a young girl's life from

32
00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:20.400
being stabbed and still get shown for
it. Like I can't even get on

33
00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.599
Facebook right now because I see all
these news articles with the headlines please shoot

34
00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:28.080
and kill a sixteen year old girl. Like no, that police officer just

35
00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:31.479
saved a young girl's life from being
stabbed. Unreal. Hey, my name's

36
00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.960
Laney Sweet. I am the widow
of Daniel Shaver, who was executed by

37
00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:39.560
Philip Brelsford of Mesa Police Department in
twenty sixteen. I want you to put

38
00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:45.159
yourself in my children's shoes. They
are twelve and nine and they have absolutely

39
00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:51.080
no access to social media or smartphones
or anything of the sort, because I

40
00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:55.759
am deathly afraid that they are going
to accidentally stumble upon their dad's video of

41
00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:01.199
him being murdered. So it works
both ways, and later she recorded this

42
00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:05.039
message for police. If you're a
police officer, I want you to listen

43
00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:09.599
very closely to this video. Please. I am asking you, guys,

44
00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:14.080
I am begging you, guys,
to speak out against this. If you

45
00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:19.959
believe that Daniel shavers killing was unjustified, if you believe that their policies and

46
00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:27.040
their de escalation training was not that, if you believe that this was murder,

47
00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.720
if you believe that Brelsford walked away
when he should be in jail,

48
00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:35.639
if you believe that Daniel Shavers should
still be alive, I am asking you

49
00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:41.800
to speak out. I am still
out there trying to defend your profession,

50
00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:46.800
and yet where are you trying to
hold accountability for my husband's death. I

51
00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:50.240
have made it my mission to make
sure my kids don't distrust all of you,

52
00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:57.079
but it's really hard. Emery was
Laney's youngest daughter. She was nine

53
00:04:57.120 --> 00:05:01.199
years old and was going into fourth
grade. The shooting happened in twenty sixteen,

54
00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.839
when Emory was only four years old, So while she remembers her dad,

55
00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.600
she never really got to know him. How well can you actually know

56
00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:15.759
a person when you're four? In
your entire vocabulary is barely nine hundred words.

57
00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.519
All right, tell me a happy
memory with you and daddy. Okay,

58
00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:28.160
when we went to the beach.
That's a good memory. And they're

59
00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:32.720
too my namely a kid, do
what now pick another one, pick a

60
00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.680
new one. Okay, I have
other things. What do you miss about

61
00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:44.319
Daddy? Oh? When? When? Like when he was alive? Like,

62
00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:46.720
what did you like to do with
him? Um? I like to

63
00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:54.560
play with him, Make snowballs,
Make snowballs. What else did you like

64
00:05:54.600 --> 00:06:06.680
to do? Ah Plague play.
So Emory doesn't really have a ton of

65
00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:11.399
memories of Danny. A lot of
the memories I can tell our memories that

66
00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:15.360
I've shared with her through pictures or
videos, keeping his memory alive by keeping

67
00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:19.040
a photo album here in her room
in the living room, we have pictures

68
00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:23.920
all around the house of him.
Emory means home strength. She was born

69
00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:28.160
at home and was their little home
birth baby. There is actually a picture

70
00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:30.439
I'm in her room right now because
she's in my room of her the day

71
00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:34.839
she was born. It was because
of her birth and my empowering homebirth experience

72
00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:40.240
that I became a birthworker myself and
have been there to support hundreds of families

73
00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:45.480
doing that precious and honored, sacred
time. So she kind of changed the

74
00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:50.079
trajectory of my entire life. Thank
gosh. Well, Laney's oldest daughter,

75
00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:55.439
Natalie, was hit hardest by the
death in the beginning, Emory faced a

76
00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:00.399
different kind of tragic loss, a
more delayed morning, and she began to

77
00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:08.319
grieve memories that didn't exist and never
would see the thing. I knew Natalie

78
00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:10.959
struggled the hardest at first, but
she was really really close with him.

79
00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.399
But I knew one day would hit
Emory, that it would be even harder

80
00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:18.600
in her own way because she doesn't
remember him. And that moment came last

81
00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:23.319
year on Danny's birthday. We were
in Palm Springs in a hot tub,

82
00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:28.560
and she started crying and was like, I don't even remember my dad at

83
00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:31.120
all, and so it's starting to
hit her. And I've dreaded this for

84
00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:49.360
years. Yeah, Brailsford and Langley
had permanently been removed to or left on

85
00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:54.360
their own accord from the Masa PD, but that didn't mean an end to

86
00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:59.759
the department's encounters with controversy. In
the years following the Daniel Shaver's shooting,

87
00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:05.160
more videos of Mesa police brutality began
to emerge. In June of twenty eighteen,

88
00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:11.720
disturbing body camera video showed Mesa police
repeatedly punching an unarmed, non violent

89
00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:16.079
man in the face. In the
video, we see Robert Johnson, a

90
00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:20.480
thirty five year old blackmail talking on
the phone while multiple officers approach him from

91
00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:26.920
behind and they search his pockets while
he continues with his phone call. Yeah,

92
00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:31.000
so what's going on? Almost it
came back to dropping teas off chaster

93
00:08:31.039 --> 00:08:35.840
piece. I grab my stuff and
my first form of sceptre were good.

94
00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:41.159
Moments later, they lose their temper. They escort Robert to a wall near

95
00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:43.799
an elevator, which is just a
few steps away, and they ask him

96
00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:52.600
to sit down. This is when
things escalate out of control. I've seen

97
00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.879
Robert sits kind of halfway down the
wall, but not all the way down,

98
00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:01.559
and he's still looking at his cell
phone, but it seems he has

99
00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.919
ended the phone call. Now,
remember at this point, he's been frisked

100
00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:20.879
and police know he's unarmed, dude, they told. Officer John day Jones

101
00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.279
grabs Robert by the back of the
neck and pulls him down to his knee,

102
00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.440
striking him in the stomach twice.
Another officer punches him in the face.

103
00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.320
His arms are being held down by
a few other police officers that have

104
00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:37.679
gathered around, and then Officer John
day Jones punches Robert full four six times

105
00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:45.799
in the face. What happens?
Do whatever? Get in there, get

106
00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:52.159
his arm back, got him hold
on watch ar okay, I'm on you,

107
00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.639
barrel. Robert did not strike back
single time during the entire interaction.

108
00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:01.759
Police handcuff Robert and tie his feet
together. As they are escorting him to

109
00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:05.799
the elevator, Robert tells the officers
quote, you didn't need to put all

110
00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.320
that force on me. And then
as the elevator doors about three fourths of

111
00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:15.360
the way open, Detective Robert Gambi
smashes Robert's face into the elevator door with

112
00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:20.039
such force that it prevents it from
opening all the way. The detective grabs

113
00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.879
Robert's head, pulls it back with
a little bit of momentum, and smashes

114
00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.519
his face into the elevator door a
couple more times. Robert had bruising and

115
00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:33.679
contusions to his right hand and left
chest wall and was diagnosed with a concussion

116
00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:39.919
and post concussion headaches. In Mesa, Arizona, disturbing surveillance video released yesterday

117
00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:45.000
shows six police officers involved in an
assault on a black man in a stairwell.

118
00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.559
You can see four officers approach the
man and exchange words before they start

119
00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:54.240
throwing punches. Then another two officers
come out of the elevator. Police say

120
00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.519
the man refused to follow instructions to
sit down. Three of the cops involved

121
00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:07.840
are now on paid lead and one
is on administrative lead. Now this is

122
00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:13.159
when things begin to get interesting.
Robert Johnson's lawyers went to the police records

123
00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:18.879
office and requested the background for Officer
John Day Jones, specifically citizen complaints against

124
00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.639
him, and they found files,
but not the kind that they were expecting.

125
00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.720
They found certificates of records destructions,
which is a document that's produced when

126
00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:37.360
a file is destroyed. According to
the City of Mesa's own guidelines, citizen

127
00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:41.919
complaints do not need to be retained
and can be requested to be destroyed by

128
00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:46.320
the own officer who they were against. Also, after three years, an

129
00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:52.440
officer's general records can be destroyed,
and after five years, any disciplinary reports

130
00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:58.840
can be destroyed. The only records
that Arizona law requires to be permanently retained

131
00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:05.320
are those resulting in termination, dismissal, or resignation. Everything else could be

132
00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:11.039
destroyed and in its place a simple
record of destruction. Officer John Day jones

133
00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:16.240
internal affairs records were permanently purged in
twenty twelve, and so any and all

134
00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:20.840
citizen complaints and use of force investigations
prior to that date are no longer accessible

135
00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:28.240
to anyone. Phoenix New Times reports
quote, under this policy, it seems

136
00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.120
that a police union member could shoot
someone, but as long as the shooting

137
00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.039
met department policy at the time that
had occurred, all record of that shooting

138
00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:41.480
would be removed from their departmental files. And it gets worse. A video

139
00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:48.840
obtained by twelve News shows the last
police chief, Frank Millstead, instructing officers

140
00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:54.159
to quote purge your files and quote
make sure the things you don't want in

141
00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.759
there aren't in there. That clip
became so infamous it actually made it to

142
00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.720
John Oliver's h investigative news show.
One reason it can be hard to spot

143
00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:09.440
problem officers is that in many jurisdictions, policies allow discipline records to be destroyed.

144
00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:13.240
Then Mesa, Arizona, when a
journalist started demanding records, a police

145
00:13:13.279 --> 00:13:18.159
chief actually made an internal video reminding
his officers that there was a way for

146
00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.159
them to clean up their past.
I don't want anybody to have to relive

147
00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:26.120
a problem that's already been adjudicated that
they've already been disciplined four that has already

148
00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:31.440
seen scrutiny in the public eye.
So perjure files according to policy, make

149
00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:35.480
sure that there's the things that you
don't want in there, aren't in there

150
00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:41.879
that seems wrong. You should not
be able to raise parts of your past

151
00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:46.080
that are damning. This is an
official police file, not a Volkswagen corporate

152
00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:50.840
history that somehow starts after World War
Two. Even though most of his files

153
00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:56.320
have been destroyed, John Tay Jones
still had plenty of history In the past

154
00:13:56.360 --> 00:14:01.159
five years. He was involved in
seventeen separate FOCE incidents between twenty twelve and

155
00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:07.879
twenty seventeen. These included bean bag
round strikes, baton strikes, taser firing,

156
00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.840
unspecified deadly force, control holds,
and deployment of a chemical agent.

157
00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.519
The documents don't indicate whether there were
any follow up investigations into these incidents.

158
00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:26.279
There was a citizen complaint alleging excessive
force and discourtesy filed against Jones in twenty

159
00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:31.200
thirteen, but Massa found the allegations
were not sustained. In addition to the

160
00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:35.519
Robert Johnson case and the Daniel Shaver
case, there was another video to emerge

161
00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:45.960
at this time showing the Masa police
assaulting a handcuffed fifteen year old new At

162
00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:50.879
Two officers placed on leave after a
video surface showing them treating a fifteen year

163
00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.240
old armed robbery suspect roughly. The
officers were caught on camera cursing at the

164
00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:58.960
boy, grabbing his shirt tightly around
his neck, and stepping on him while

165
00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:03.240
he's handcuffed on the Now some of
those responding officers are also part of the

166
00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:09.000
same squad scene in this video.
It shows officers beating up a man who

167
00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:13.440
wasn't even a suspect on this call. As you heard in that news clip,

168
00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:16.480
the fifteen year old was an armed
robbery suspect, and many of the

169
00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:22.279
suspects in these police incidents are suspected
of committing violent crimes, but that's far

170
00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:26.200
from the case for all of them, such as this eighty four year old

171
00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:31.399
grandmother who was brutalized by police when
they showed up at her home to do

172
00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:35.799
a wellness check. A new investigation
within the ranks of the Mason Police Department

173
00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.360
because of what an eighty four year
old grandmother has just told us. Traumatized,

174
00:15:41.480 --> 00:15:45.440
hurt, and sad. That's how
eighty four year old Virginia says she's

175
00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:50.519
feeling. I've talked police out out
in front of my house for thirty years,

176
00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:56.440
and there wasn't everybody that ever behaved
like this. Grabbed my wrist real

177
00:15:56.559 --> 00:16:07.039
hard and I didn't known anybody could
hold you so hard and hurt so bad.

178
00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:08.360
I said, oh, what are
you doing? What are you doing?

179
00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:15.159
And I guess the next thing I
was waking up on the asphalt next

180
00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.639
to the police car. In a
statement, Masa police Admitchie using force on

181
00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.320
Virginia, but say it happened because
she tried to go back inside and the

182
00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:26.600
officer was grabbing her to protect her
her family. It's calling for major accountabilities

183
00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.879
that shouldn't happen. There should never
be any reason for an eighty four year

184
00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:37.919
old grandmother who is she's had her
fourth stroke in December to be put on

185
00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.279
the ground. What's he doing to
other people that he that he misunderstands the

186
00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:47.519
situation? Before we continue, I
want to make a concession by no means

187
00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:52.080
do I think policing is an easy
job and each case is filled with ambiguities.

188
00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.279
And if we heard the comps perspective, I'm sure there would be a

189
00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.879
different take on the story. I'm
not here to say that all police are

190
00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.599
bad. The officers who have chosen
this profession risked their lives every day,

191
00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.480
and many of them are killed in
the line of duty. Over a hundred

192
00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.359
officers have already died in the line
of duty in the year twenty twenty two,

193
00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.599
whether that's been gunfire, vehicular assault, etc. Having said all that,

194
00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:19.720
it's hard to ignore that we have
a serious problem in America with our

195
00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:26.000
police, and cities like Mesa are
prime example. Originally, I wanted to

196
00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.039
briefly review each of the abuse of
force cases in the Masa PD in the

197
00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.920
last four to five years, and
while studying the Daniel Shaver case, I

198
00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.759
knew this type of abuse was happening
in Mesa specifically, but I thought it

199
00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:44.440
was probably a rare thing, maybe
a handful of abuse of force cases each

200
00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:48.640
year, maybe a dozen, maybe
two dozen in the past five years.

201
00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:53.480
How wrong that estimate turned out to
be. Arizona Central has done an excellent

202
00:17:53.559 --> 00:18:00.119
job of reporting a detailed analysis on
Mesa police abuse of force history. One

203
00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.119
of the most extensive breakdowns is of
the year twenty fourteen. There were one

204
00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:11.160
hundred and fifty eight abuse of force
investigations by the Masa PD into their own

205
00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.240
department that year. That doesn't even
account for any abuse of force cases that

206
00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:21.200
were not investigated. One hundred and
fifty eight in one year. That's almost

207
00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:26.839
an abuse of force occurrence every other
day. And what about the investigations.

208
00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:33.000
How often did MASA PD find wrongdoing
by their own officer three three times in

209
00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:37.920
one hundred and fifty eight cases.
That's not just hard to believe, it's

210
00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:44.400
in the realm of complete fantasy.
Less than two percent of those internal investigations

211
00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.400
resulted in any action taken, which
is why it's not just important to have

212
00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:53.720
an independent review board, but it's
an absolute necessity to preventing police corruption.

213
00:18:55.160 --> 00:19:00.160
Of the eighteen thousand police departments in
the United States currently only two hundred half

214
00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:04.839
review boards, which is barely one
percent. I'm not saying a review board

215
00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:08.960
is the only solution, but it's
a step in the right direction. Throughout

216
00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:15.400
all these incidents of violence, MESA
had no independent review board. As I

217
00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.960
said, it would be impossible to
take you through each one of the incidents

218
00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:22.680
in the last five years. As
we're looking at five six, seven hundred

219
00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.440
cases, but some that stuck out
to me. That all mention or Ivan

220
00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.240
Christick, an unarmed man who was
shot to death outside his house in twenty

221
00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:33.519
sixteen. In twenty eighteen, the
shooting of an unarmed African American man who

222
00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:37.599
was mentally challenged. In twenty seventeen, Scott Farnsworth, who was shot to

223
00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:41.799
death eleven times by three officers.
In that same year, they stomped on

224
00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:45.200
a man and laughed at him while
he was handcuffed on the ground and in

225
00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:52.839
a pool of his own blood.
Beli's bodycam footage tonight showing officers punching a

226
00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.440
guy and then mocking him. Today, the man you've seen in these videos

227
00:19:56.759 --> 00:20:00.680
is telling us his side of the
story. Yeah, Mesa Believe Department of

228
00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:07.200
Department once again under fire this evening
after more video surfaces of yet another violent

229
00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:14.160
and many would argue brutal arrest.
Twenty three year old Masa resident jose Condy

230
00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:18.160
today talking about this the night back
in January when he was a passenger in

231
00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:25.039
a friend's car, the car pulled
over, Condy taken into custody. This

232
00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:34.240
just released police bodycamp video showing some
of the violent arrest police Condy was resisting

233
00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:40.160
assaulting officers and had some cocaine stashed
in a sack. I was searched.

234
00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:42.440
I was thrown to the ground.
I was heaping into a wall. I

235
00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:47.000
was tased. I was punched over
and over by multiple cops. I was

236
00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:52.920
gouging the eye. The police bodycamp
video released to the media yesterday by jose

237
00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:57.839
Condy's defense attorney. Some of it
shot in the hospital where jose Condi lay

238
00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.960
on the floor after allegedly trying to
make a run for it. When officers

239
00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:11.759
act like this, it causes citizens
to question the integrity of other good officers.

240
00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:15.400
I had to have my ears zone
back on, I had to have

241
00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:19.039
my head stapled back together. And
what happens to these guys. Nothing,

242
00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:22.960
They don't get charged with anything.
They just go back to their jobs and

243
00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:30.279
they possibly do this to other people. And that's unacceptable. Oh, you

244
00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:40.319
gotta be a man. Man man
up. And then in twenty eighteen,

245
00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:44.720
there was the brutal beating of Cole
Spencer. The body camp footage of this

246
00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:48.799
assault is so disturbing that it rivals
the shooting of Daniel Shaver. It is

247
00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:55.079
sadistic. Three officers hold down Cole
Spencer. They knee him in the head,

248
00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:59.359
smash his face repeatedly into the ground, wrapped their hands around his neck

249
00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:03.799
and choke him. Stun him with
a stunt gun seven different times, spray

250
00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:07.880
him point blank in the eyes with
pepper spray, broke multiple bones in his

251
00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.640
face, rubbed half the skin on
his face off, put a knee on

252
00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.440
top of his neck, almost identical
to what we see in the George Floyd

253
00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:18.400
murder. Cole said many times,
I can't breathe, and after you watched

254
00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:23.279
the video, it's pretty amazing that
they didn't kill him. Cole Spencer spent

255
00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:27.799
three days in the hospital for his
injuries. The video we're about to show

256
00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:33.440
involves one of the most gruesome police
beatings I've seen in twenty years as a

257
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:37.880
reporter. A warning it's not appropriate
for all viewers. It is at the

258
00:22:37.920 --> 00:22:41.680
center of a federal civil rights lawsuit
against the City of Mesa, the Maricopa

259
00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:48.079
County Sheriff's Office, and several officers, including Aaron Pew. This is Masa's

260
00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.839
squad officer Aaron Pew in March twenty
eighteen. He's one of three officers holding

261
00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:56.200
down Cole Spencer, face down in
the dirt, Pew rams his knee into

262
00:22:56.279 --> 00:23:03.839
Cole's head twice, then slams his
face into the ground twice. But it's

263
00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:19.920
about to get a lot worse,
and there's tasering. Cole stunned it seven

264
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:25.359
times for a total of thirty six
seconds. It's still not over. Officer

265
00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:30.480
Pew grabs Cole's neck with both hands
and squeezes, hoping Cole would go unconscious

266
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.680
so we could control him. He
said in his police report, you should

267
00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:37.599
know that Cole Spencer is far from
a model citizen. While he does not

268
00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.119
have a violent criminal history, he
does have a long rap sheet for burglaries.

269
00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.039
He was high on drugs the day
of this meeting and he's now in

270
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:51.240
prison. I stole something that wasn't
mind, Cole explained what happened before the

271
00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:55.720
beating. We can't see it because
MESA does not require SWAT team members like

272
00:23:55.839 --> 00:24:00.640
Pew to wear body cameras. The
only video came from MCSO deputy who arrived

273
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:03.599
later. Cole was a passenger in
this car stopped for a minor traffic violation,

274
00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:07.640
and after Cole gave a false name, the officers moved to arrest him

275
00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:15.160
god under Arizona law. Pushing or
shoving an officer is a serious felony aggravated

276
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:18.480
assault on an officer. The MESA
officers claimed Cole was fighting back with superhuman

277
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.119
strength, so they cut off the
blood supply to his brain. Those police

278
00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:27.920
departments have either eliminated the karatet neck
restraint or they've elevated it to the point

279
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:33.359
of, you know, it's a
it's a choice between that or possibly using

280
00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.759
their firearm a deadly, a deadly
forced situation. The legal standard is what

281
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:42.480
would a reasonable officer do under the
circumstances. Why didn't you just put your

282
00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:45.279
hand on your back question? That's
a good question. I can answer that

283
00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:51.759
very, very easily. It's called
NMI. It's called neuromuscular incapacitation. Cole

284
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:55.680
says the repeated taser deployments left him
unable to move. At other points,

285
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.559
he says, he was unconscious to
kick me right in my face, the

286
00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.799
blood everywhere. I can't even hear
him. I didn't hear anything if he

287
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:07.000
were killing me. I was just
seeing like a survival. But even after

288
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:12.799
handcuffing, officers continue to use force. Right here, Officer Pu appears to

289
00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:21.119
put his knee on Cole's neck,
sadistically inflicted. All this is on me.

290
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.759
I want him to be held accountable
like like I'm held accountable. And

291
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:32.799
Officer Aaron Pugh was accused of excessive
force again this July. He shot bean

292
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:36.920
bag rounds at Lorenzo Jones while serving
a warrant, even though Jones had his

293
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:41.200
hands up and his small children nearby. There was no need for this under

294
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.880
the law. He was complying.
He had his shirt off, no weapons

295
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.480
on him, He wasn't a threat. Mesa Police found Pew's use of force

296
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:53.400
was justified against Jones. A Masa
Police spokeswoman did say Pugh was in good

297
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:57.640
standing and it is expected that an
officer who is actively working in the field

298
00:25:57.759 --> 00:26:03.960
will be the subject of complaints,
and she reiterated Cole Spencer's complaint about excessive

299
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:15.200
force was not sustained. Police officers
play an important role in our society.

300
00:26:15.799 --> 00:26:19.960
They arrest suspected criminals and take them
into custody so that the judicial process may

301
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:26.119
take its course. What the police
are not is judge or jury, but

302
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:30.920
that is the role they have assumed
in the Mesa Police Department and in many

303
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:36.359
other police departments throughout the country.
In Mesa specifically, they reached a potential

304
00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:41.039
turning point in the year twenty seventeen, a moment of possible redemption for their

305
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:48.759
disgraced police department. A man stepped
forward to become the new chief of Mesa

306
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:55.079
Police and that man was named Ramon
Bautista, and he faced a monumental task

307
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:59.599
to clean up the culture of corruption
that seemed to have taken a stranglehold over

308
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:19.160
the city's police force. If you
want to skip the ads and get access

309
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:25.440
to this entire season instantly in the
highest audio quality, join us on Patreon.

310
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.400
It takes a less than a minute
to sign up. That's patreon dot

311
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:42.640
com. Slash Tapes from the Dark
Side. We'll be right back. In

312
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:49.160
July twenty seventeen, Ramon Bautista inherited
a police department in crisis. Ramon began

313
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.799
his career thirty one years prior,
when he joined the police force in Tucson,

314
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:59.559
Arizona, in nineteen eighty six.
In Tucsonon he served at nearly every

315
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:06.119
position in the department, from patrol
supervisor to traffic division, training academy commander,

316
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:11.799
public information office director, and even
the SWAT division commander. In twenty

317
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:17.680
eleven, Ramone became captain and then
the assistant chief of the Investigative Division in

318
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:22.759
twenty sixteen. That's where he oversaw
nearly every aspect of the department. Ramone

319
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.799
seemed to be everything you'd want and
a police officer, and when he became

320
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:32.720
the chief of Mesa Police, he
was dedicated to trying to find alternatives to

321
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:37.680
imprisonment for low level violators, to
try to reduce recidivism and overall lower the

322
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:45.160
high monetary and sociological cost of needless
incarceration. And he had his work cut

323
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.279
out for him. With a budget
of one hundred and eighty eight million dollars,

324
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:53.680
twelve hundred employees and seventy police officers. He had ambitious ideas right from

325
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.920
the start. He wanted to embed
mental health workers in nine one one call

326
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:03.480
centers, something that had never been
done before. He wanted to create a

327
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:08.640
diversion program where all suicide nine one
one calls were directed to crisis counselors instead

328
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:15.480
of police officers. He wanted to
focus on community relations between the police and

329
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:21.119
the citizens of Mesa, and he
wanted more diversity in his department and new

330
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:26.839
de escalation training that emphasized communication over
use of force. But to fully appreciate

331
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:32.440
the uphill battle that Ramone faced as
the new chief of police, I have

332
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.440
to give you an idea of how
rotten the roots of the department had become.

333
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:40.960
And for that will go back in
time thirty two years ago to Mesa,

334
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:52.799
Arizona, July twenty seventh, nineteen
ninety. There are quite a few

335
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.799
officers at the center of this story, but the one will focus on was

336
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:03.559
known as Dick Elegant Richard g Elligot, whereas he was known to his friends

337
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.839
and colleagues. Dick came from a
police family. His father, Richard Senior,

338
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.359
had worked as a mess of Police
officer, and so did his brother

339
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.319
Tim, who was employed by the
agency at the time. Dick joined the

340
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:21.400
police force in nineteen seventy eight and
enjoyed a distinguished career for twelve years.

341
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:26.079
He was awarded the Medal of Valor
twice, the first time in eighty four

342
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:30.640
after he rescued a suicidal woman from
drowning in a canal. That was the

343
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.839
very first time in Masa's history any
officer had received the Medal of Valor,

344
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:41.839
and he later got his second in
another suicide rescue. Dick and his wife

345
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:47.079
Laurie, both thirty seven years old, had four girls who were ages sixteen,

346
00:30:47.359 --> 00:30:51.720
thirteen, nine, and seven,
and by all accounts, this seemed

347
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:56.880
like your average yet happy American family. But under the surface, something demented

348
00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:02.920
had taken a stranglehold over Dick Eleigate, and on July twenty seventh of nineteen

349
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.720
ninety, his entire world would be
turned upside down. On that fateful night,

350
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:11.680
a sixteen year old girl called her
aunt and reported that she had been

351
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:17.160
the victim of abuse at the hands
of none other than Officer Dick Elligot and

352
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.960
his wife. The girl's aunt was
named Betty Joe, and even though she

353
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.559
knew dick Elligot was a police officer, she went to the only place she

354
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:30.960
knew to go, the Maso Police
department. Betty Joe helped her sixteen year

355
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.279
old niece, who was named Stacy, filed the police report, which alleged

356
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.880
four years of abuse at the hands
of Richard Elegant. These were not trivial

357
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:45.880
accusations. She said Richard had touched
her inappropriately, groped her, stripped her

358
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.720
nude, and given her sexual massages, and even photographed her naked a number

359
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:55.680
of times. Some of these nude
photograph sessions also included Richard's thirty seven year

360
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.839
old wife. The very next morning, a warrant was issued and the police

361
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:05.400
the Elligant house for possible evidence,
and what they found would change the Masa

362
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:10.519
Police Department forever. The pictures they
found verified everything that Stacy had said.

363
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:17.160
There were X rated self produced child
pornographic photographs Richard had taken of the teenage

364
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:23.200
Stacy posing nude solo and masturbating,
and also her nude with his wife,

365
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:30.079
and then the police found the diary. The so called diary was later reported

366
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:35.880
to actually be a collection of note
cards which detailed the numerous sexual affairs of

367
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.920
Richard's wife, Laurie Elligot. There
were thirty seven note cards with thirty seven

368
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:45.039
names, and twelve of those names
were officers who worked at the Mesa Police

369
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:50.599
Department. Dick and Laurie Elligot were
actually out of town on vacation when Stacy

370
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:54.079
made the phone call end the next
day when the warrant was executed. When

371
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:59.640
the couple returned home, they were
arrested at the airport and taken into custody.

372
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.799
The couple that the Elegants were vacationing
with were none other than Lieutenant Rick

373
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:08.759
Heath and his wife. Rick Heath
just so happened to also be Dick's supervisor.

374
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:14.000
Not only that, but he was
the one who had awarded Dick his

375
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.559
medals of valor. We now know
that three years before the notebook's discovery,

376
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:23.119
back in nineteen eighty seven, a
Mesa civilian filed a sexual harassment complaint against

377
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:28.640
Dick. A high ranking mess officer
said Rick Heath took care of it.

378
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:34.279
He always took good care of Dickie. Rick Heath would retire shortly after the

379
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:38.519
scandal broke. Here's what we know
about the so called diary. Dick Elligant

380
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:44.880
had personally arranged for numerous affairs between
his wife and Mesa Copps. This included

381
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:50.079
command level supervisors. Among the thirty
seven names on those note cards. The

382
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.799
first card detailed the day Laurie lost
her virginity in age seventeen. The cards

383
00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.400
go on to list a number of
sexual affairs, most of them my first

384
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.920
name only, but some of the
names will never know as Masa Police redacted

385
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:09.400
them. I'll later describe how Masa
Police made the decision to investigate this case

386
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:15.119
themselves. Each of the cards had
a series of gold or silver stars to

387
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:20.239
indicate whether Laurie was married at the
time of that specific encounter. Richard would

388
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:27.079
later say, quote it just for
my own personal reference for future things down

389
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.679
the road to where I could refer
to them as far as reference. The

390
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:35.880
investigators asked Laurie why Richard kept these
note cards, and she just said,

391
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.480
well, fantasy is down the road. But according to those closest to Dick,

392
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:45.159
these note cards served a much more
sinister purpose. Dick's own sister in

393
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.960
law said they were quote insurance so
that certain people will not touch him.

394
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.280
Now, how did MASA get their
hands on the diary? How were they

395
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:58.840
in a position to redact the names
of their own officers. Surely they wouldn't

396
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:04.360
be allowed to invest gate the case
themselves. Yet that's exactly what happened.

397
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.280
The County Attorney's office permitted the mess
of Police Department to investigate the child molestation

398
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:15.639
case against Dick Elligott, even after
the sex diary was discovered and directly showed

399
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:20.280
the department had been compromised. It
will come as no surprise that the original

400
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:24.800
supervisor in the case was MASA PD
Lieutenant Bill Hamilton, who was a personal

401
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:30.639
friend of the Elligots and according to
multiple sources, was also directly named in

402
00:35:30.639 --> 00:35:34.880
the sex diary. Bill Hamilton was
taken off the case when his name came

403
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.159
up on note card number twenty one. He said quote, I was relieved

404
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.239
because I knew since my name was
in the tyree, I wouldn't have to

405
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:47.239
work on the case. He says
he had no idea why Richard Elligott would

406
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.079
falsely put his name in the diary. Yeah, okay, Bill. The

407
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:59.199
Mesa County prosecutors allowed the Mesa Police
officers to protect the sex ring by waiting

408
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:02.360
out the names in the three hundred
and seventy four page report before it was

409
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:07.639
released to the press. Yet,
curiously, they left the name of the

410
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.559
juvenile victims, which is a violation
of the victim's Bill of rights in Arizona.

411
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:16.559
One of the prosecutors, Jennings,
said he made the right call by

412
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:22.159
not insisting Masa Police removed themselves from
the investigation. He said he had full

413
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:30.159
confidence that the Masa PD could properly
investigate this case. Another disturbing note card

414
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.960
came towards the back of the pile. Among the more recent events on note

415
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:39.280
card number thirty three was the detailed
rape and molestation of a thirteen year old

416
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:45.360
boy who reportedly lived near the Elegates. This note card had no name,

417
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.880
but the detectives found the child listed
on the card and interviewed him. He

418
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:53.480
said he was brought into the elegates
living room, where Richard led the boy

419
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:58.840
to his blindfolded wife. He then
said, Dick put on some records,

420
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:05.239
told his wife to quote do her
thing. Laurie then undressed, reclined on

421
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:08.519
a coffee table, and the thirteen
year old boy was forced to perform oral

422
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:13.760
sex on the thirty plus year old
woman. And then they had full on

423
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:19.960
intercourse as Dick Elegant stood by and
watched. And yet this is not the

424
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.920
worst of it. There's one little
detail that for Richard we've so far conveniently

425
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:30.480
glossed over. Even the newspapers of
Mesa, Arizona did not report the true

426
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:36.719
identity of the sixteen year old girl
Richard had molested for four years. But

427
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:53.559
now we know her name, Stacy
Elegant zoned daughter coming up. In the

428
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:59.159
final episode of season five of Tapes
from the Dark Side, the Mesa Police

429
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:04.559
Department is investigating two former officers,
both Caughts, stalking out the area and

430
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:22.400
your chief from own Batista's House.
If you want to support Tapes from the

431
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:28.239
dark Side and help us continue to
make independent, investigative true crime content,

432
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:34.280
then consider supporting us on Patreon.
Support the show at Patreon dot com slash

433
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:42.920
Tapes from the dark Side. We're
also making Justice for Daniel Shaver t shirts.

434
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:47.239
Everyone at the Patreon producer tier will
automatically get one, and for everyone

435
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:52.320
else they'll be thirty dollars. We're
having them custom made for limited release,

436
00:38:52.679 --> 00:38:59.000
so check out the design on Instagram
and Facebook. Instagram at the dark Side

437
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:07.039
Pod and Facebook dot com Slash the
Darkside Pod. Thank you so much to

438
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.159
our producers who support us at the
very generous rate of fifteen dollars per month.

439
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.760
Greg B. Christy Ramsher, J
C. Leavy, Erica Walters,

440
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:23.719
Joel Simonson, Sherry Sly, Angela
m f and Alexis Kathleen. Thank you

441
00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:28.880
to twenty six hundred who allowed us
to adapt his song for our main theme.

442
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.960
Thank you to Augusta Trevororum, and
also to Emmanuel wits Doom. All

443
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:39.960
the music that you heard today can
be found in our show notes. Today,

444
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.639
I want to tell you about a
podcast aptly named our True Crime Podcast

445
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:50.559
It's another one of those that focuses
on bizarre and lesser known cases, just

446
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:54.880
like us, and it's hosted by
two women, Jen and Cam who respectfully

447
00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.719
yet thoroughly present true crime in a
captivating way. An episode I'd recommend is

448
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.719
number one eighty seven, The Stranger
in My Home, Carolina Killer. It's

449
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.840
one that I listened to recently and
it got my blood pumping. Since I'm

450
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.400
from North Carolina, this one hit
close to home. I'll put a link

451
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:19.320
to that episode in the show notes. Please go and subscribe today to our

452
00:40:19.639 --> 00:40:28.760
true crime podcast. Last year,
there were nearly twenty two thousand murders in

453
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:34.440
the US. Not surprisingly, more
than two hundred true crime podcasts launch every

454
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.119
year in the US alone. There's
no shortage of crimes and no shortage of

455
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:43.719
crime podcasts to cover them. But
none of those shows have the heart of

456
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.599
our true crime podcasts. Thank goodness. Well home, they didn't even have

457
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:51.719
seatbelt laws back then. They ain't
never worse the bet, Yeah, it's

458
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:57.679
fine. He could not remember exactly
what happened and thought that he had blacked

459
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:02.559
out. That was about it.
That's all you could tell officers. He

460
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.800
was drawing things, saying that the
thoughts won't stop. I want to see

461
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:14.760
how this plays out. It's heartbreaking. Isn't it time you made our true

462
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:21.719
crime podcast your true crime podcast.
Our true crime podcast available on all your

463
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:22.239
favorite podcasting apps.